Eigenvalues of a "unusual" Hamiltonian of a harmonic oscillator

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for d), I am a bit confused. I have two trains of thoughts here

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any thoughts on which answer is correct, and why the other one is incorrect? Both seem like valid solutions to me. Or is the question ambiguous?

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Given that ##~\hat{b}~## is a self-adjoint operator and ##~\hat{b}^\dagger~## is its adjoint, I'd expect their commutator to vanish. What am I missing?

I'd say some more if your question will become quotable. For now, note that the Hilbert space must be closed: if ##~|\phi\rangle~## is a state, so is ##~b|\phi\rangle~##.
 
Let us consider the following Hamiltonian
$$
\hat{H}=\hbar\omega\left(\hat{b}^\dagger \hat{b}+\frac{1}{2}\right).
$$
The self-adjoint operator ##\hat b## and its adjoint ##\hat b^\dagger## fulfil the (unusual) commutation relation
$$
[\hat b,\hat b^\dagger]=\hat b\hat b^\dagger-\hat b^\dagger\hat b = 4.
$$
Define an (unusual) number operator by ##\hat N=\hat b^\dagger \hat b##. The normalised eigenstates of ##\hat N## are ##|\phi_n\rangle## such that
$$
\hat N|\phi_n\rangle = n|\phi_n\rangle.
$$

(a) Evaluate the commutator ##[\hat b,\hat N]##.

(b) Use the previous result to show that ##\hat b|\phi_n\rangle## is a (not-normalised) eigenstate of the number operator for ##n\ge 4##. What is the corresponding eigenvalue?

(c) Let ##|\Phi\rangle=g\,\hat b|\phi_n\rangle## with ##g\in\mathbb R##. Calculate the value of ##g\ge 0## such that ##\|\Phi\|=1##.

(d) Use the previous results to argue what are the eigenvalues of this unusual number operator ##\hat N##.

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My working so far:

(a) I evaluated the commutator and found
$$
[\hat b,\hat N]=4\hat b.
$$

(b) I deduced that
$$
\hat N\hat b=\hat b\hat N-4\hat b,
$$
so that ##\hat b|\phi_n\rangle## is an eigenstate with eigenvalue ##n-4##.

(c) Using the norm condition, I got ##g=1/\sqrt{n}##.

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For (d), I am confused. I have two trains of thought:

(1) The smallest eigenvalue is ##0## because repeatedly applying ##\hat b## will keep lowering the eigenvalue until it would become negative, which contradicts the property that the eigenvalue must satisfy ##n\ge 0## (since ##\langle\psi|\hat N|\psi\rangle=\|\hat b|\psi\rangle\|^2\ge 0##). So then the only possible eigenvalues are ##0,4,8,\dots##.

(2) Since part (b) is only stated for ##n\ge 4##, I can start from e.g. ##7## and then stop when it hits ##3##, because the relation doesn't apply again. So then the solutions also include ##3,7,11,\dots##. The same logic can be applied to ##1,5,9,\dots## and ##2,6,10,\dots##, which would suggest the eigenvalues are ##0,1,2,3,\dots##.

Any thoughts on which answer is correct, and why the other one is incorrect? Both seem valid to me, or is the question ambiguous?


JimWhoKnew said:
Given that b^ is a self-adjoint operator and b^† is its adjoint, I'd expect their commutator to vanish. What am I missing?
you are correct, I asked my professor, he said it is an error, ##\hat{b}## is not self-adjoint.
 
laser1 said:
(2) Since part (b) is only stated for ##n\ge 4##, I can start from e.g. ##7## and then stop when it hits ##3##, because the relation doesn't apply again.
Why not?
In (b) you were asked about ##~n\ge 4~##, but the commutation relations are valid throughout, so your answer for (b) should apply to any participating ##n~## (edit: ##~\hat{b}|\phi_0\rangle~## is an exception). Suppose ##~|\phi_7\rangle~## exists. Then ##~\hat{N}\hat{b}|\phi_7\rangle=3\hat{b}|\phi_7\rangle~##. But then ##~\hat{b}\hat{b}|\phi_7\rangle~## is also a state. Is it an eigenstate of ##~\hat{N}~##?

BTW: since it had taken you such a short time to re-post in LaTeX, why didn't you just do so in #1?
 
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