Elastic Collision between billiard balls

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving two billiard balls of equal mass undergoing a perfectly elastic head-on collision. The original poster presents initial speeds of 2.00 m/s and 3.00 m/s in opposite directions, seeking to determine their speeds after the collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the conservation of momentum and kinetic energy equations, questioning how to interpret the results of their calculations. The original poster expresses uncertainty about which final speeds to choose and how to approach similar future problems.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on interpreting the results based on the initial conditions and the nature of the collision. The discussion includes multiple interpretations of the final speeds, with no explicit consensus reached on the correct answers.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the arbitrary assignment of which ball is labeled A or B, and the implications of defining positive and negative directions in the context of the problem. The original poster indicates a desire to understand discrepancies between their answers and those of their teacher.

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Homework Statement


Two billiard balls of equal mass undergo a perfectly elastic head on collision. If one ball's initial speed was 2.00 m/s, and the other's was 3.00 m/s in the opposite direction, what will their speeds be after the collision?

Va = 2 m/s
Vb = 3 m/s



Homework Equations


MaVa + MbVb = MaVa' + MbVb'
1/2MaVa^2 + 1/2MbVb^2 = 1/2MaVa'^2 + 1/2MbVb'^2


The Attempt at a Solution


Let right be positive.

MaVa + MbVb = MaVa' + MbVb'
Va + Vb = Va' + Vb'
2 - 3 = Va' + Vb'
Va' = -1 - Vb'

1/2MaVa^2 + 1/2MbVb^2 = 1/2MaVa'^2 + 1/2MbVb'^2
Va^2 + Vb^2 = Va'^2 + Vb'^2
4 + 9 = (1-Vb')^2 + Vb'^2
0 = -13 + 1 + 2Vb' + Vb'^2 + Vb'^2
0 = 2Vb'^2 + 2Vb' - 12
0 = Vb'^2 + Vb' - 6
0 = (Vb' + 3)(Vb' - 2)
Vb' = -3 or Vb' = 2

I can figure this out, but I'm not sure which answer to choose and also for future questions how I know which to choose.

If Vb' = -3:

Va' = -1 - Vb'
Va' = -1 - (-3)
Va' = 2

If Vb' = 2:

Va' = -1 - Vb'
Va' = -1 - 2
Va' = -3
 
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Compare the final answers to your initial conditions.

What did you state Va and Vb to be?
 
Well Va was 2m/s and Vb was -3 m/s

If they're colliding head on would they be pushed back directly in the opposite direction, making

Vb' = 2 m/s and Va' = -3 m/s?
 
testme said:

Homework Statement


Two billiard balls of equal mass undergo a perfectly elastic head on collision. If one ball's initial speed was 2.00 m/s, and the other's was 3.00 m/s in the opposite direction, what will their speeds be after the collision?

Va = 2 m/s
Vb = 3 m/s



Homework Equations


MaVa + MbVb = MaVa' + MbVb'
1/2MaVa^2 + 1/2MbVb^2 = 1/2MaVa'^2 + 1/2MbVb'^2


The Attempt at a Solution


Let right be positive.

MaVa + MbVb = MaVa' + MbVb'
Va + Vb = Va' + Vb'
2 - 3 = Va' + Vb'
Va' = -1 - Vb'

1/2MaVa^2 + 1/2MbVb^2 = 1/2MaVa'^2 + 1/2MbVb'^2
Va^2 + Vb^2 = Va'^2 + Vb'^2
4 + 9 = (1-Vb')^2 + Vb'^2
0 = -13 + 1 + 2Vb' + Vb'^2 + Vb'^2
0 = 2Vb'^2 + 2Vb' - 12
0 = Vb'^2 + Vb' - 6
0 = (Vb' + 3)(Vb' - 2)
Vb' = -3 or Vb' = 2

I can figure this out, but I'm not sure which answer to choose and also for future questions how I know which to choose.

If Vb' = -3:

Va' = -1 - Vb'
Va' = -1 - (-3)
Va' = 2

If Vb' = 2:

Va' = -1 - Vb'
Va' = -1 - 2
Va' = -3

Your duplicate answers arise since it was arbitrary which ball you chose as A and which as B - and which one was traveling in the positive direction.

Work the problem with Va = 2 and Vb = -3 initially, then Vb = 2 and Va = -3, then Va = -2 and Vb = 3 and finally Vb = -2 and Va = 3 and you will get seemingly different answers, which when interpretted to the situation mean the same thing.

It is a head on collision, so call the original motion Left and Right [one of those directions you will have to call one of those positive and the other negative for maths - it doesn't like left and right.

Once you interpret your answer you will find that the ball originally doing 2 will be traveling at 3 in the opposite direction to its original, and the ball doing 3 will be traveling at 2 in the opposite direction to its original, regardless of which ball you called A, and which direction you defined as positive.
 
Okay, I got it, thanks, now I have another question :/
New topic ><

I don't find the questions hard just my answers aren't really matching up with teachers so I must be doing something wrong
 

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