Elastic Collisions (Kinetic energy)

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The discussion revolves around a nuclear fusion reaction involving deuterium and tritium nuclei, focusing on the conservation of momentum and the calculation of kinetic energy released during the process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the kinetic energy released in the fusion reaction, expressing uncertainty about whether to use pre- or post-collision data. Some participants suggest reconsidering the application of kinetic energy conservation and emphasize the need to account for the energy released from the fusion process.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaging in a back-and-forth regarding the correct approach to calculating kinetic energy, with some guidance offered on considering the total kinetic energy after the collision. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify the principles involved, particularly regarding energy conservation.

Contextual Notes

The original poster has successfully demonstrated momentum conservation but is struggling with the kinetic energy calculation. There is a mention of a discrepancy between the calculations and the expected answer from a textbook.

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Homework Statement



A nuclear fusion reaction occurs when a deuterium nucleus, mass 2m, and a tritium nucleus, mass 3m, combine (each with velocity v in opposite directions). Most of the energy released in the fusion is carried away in the kinetic energy of the product neutron, mass m, and velocity 5v. The other product is a helium nucleus, mass 4m, and velocity v.

(a) Show in terms of m and v that momentum is conserved in the process.
I've done this part, I don't need help with it. I'm just posting it incase it's a sub-step for the next part. The answer is -mv=-mv

(b) Calculate the kinetic energy released in the fusion in terms of m and v.

I'm stuck with part b. For part a I had to use all the data in the question, I'm guessing that for part b I only have to use the masses and velocities before the collision.

Homework Equations



Ek = 0.5mv2

The Attempt at a Solution



This is what I've done so far:
Ek = 0.5mv2

v1 = 1v
m1 = 2m
v2 = 1v
m2 = 3m

Ek1 = 0.5m1v12
Ek1 = 0.5x2m1v2
Ek1 = mv2

Ek2 = 0.5m2v22
Ek1 = 0.5x3m1v2
Ek1 = 1.5mv2

EkT = Ek1+Ek2
EkT = (mv2)+(1.5mv2)

But the answer in the book is EkT = 12mv2...

I think I may have messed up in the algebra, or maybe I need to use the data after the collision too.
 
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Hi Magma828! Welcome to PF! :wink:
Magma828 said:
I'm stuck with part b. For part a I had to use all the data in the question, I'm guessing that for part b I only have to use the masses and velocities before the collision.

No, the total KE after is greater than the total KE before …

the difference in energy must have come from somewhere, and it comes from the "nuclear energy" released.

Try again. :smile:
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi Magma828! Welcome to PF! :wink:


No, the total KE after is greater than the total KE before …

the difference in energy must have come from somewhere, and it comes from the "nuclear energy" released.

Try again. :smile:

Ahh of course. I'd just spent the previous hour doing part a using the principle of conservation of momentum and decided to invent the principle of conservation of kinetic energy :-p

So it's the exact same method but just with the after-collision velocities?
 
It's the exact same method with all the velocities. :wink:
 

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