Electric dipole and Gauss' Law

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of Gauss' Law in the context of an electric dipole. Participants explore the implications of zero net charge within a Gaussian surface and the resulting electric field intensity, comparing it with Coulomb's Law. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and challenges in calculating the electric field due to a dipole.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the application of Gauss' Law, noting that the total charge enclosed by the Gaussian surface is zero, leading to a zero flux and suggesting that the electric field intensity should also be zero.
  • Another participant clarifies that zero net flux does not imply a zero electric field at all points, emphasizing that the flux can be zero while the field may vary across the surface.
  • A comparison is made to a mathematical integral, illustrating that a zero result does not mean the function itself is zero throughout the interval.
  • Some participants argue that calculating the electric field due to a dipole using Gauss' Law is challenging due to the lack of symmetry in the dipole arrangement.
  • It is suggested that Gauss' Law is most effectively applied in cases with symmetric charge distributions, such as spherical, cylindrical, or planar geometries.
  • One participant mentions using the principle of superposition to find the electric field by considering the contributions from each charge in the dipole separately.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of Gauss' Law to electric dipoles, with some asserting that it cannot be used effectively due to symmetry issues, while others explore the implications of the law without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in applying Gauss' Law to non-symmetric charge distributions and the assumptions involved in using the law for calculating electric fields.

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We have an electric dipole. Now, let us draw a Gaussian surface around our electric dipole. Now, the total charge enclosed by our Gaussian surface is zero, so according the Gauss' Law the flux through the Gaussian surface is zero, and so is the electric field intensity due the electric dipole.

But, when we apply Coulomb's Law, we get an expression for electric field intensity at a point due to an electric dipole.
So, my question is-

Am I going wrong somewhere in applying the Gauss' theorem?
If not, why are we getting this difference in the solution to this problem?
 
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net flux=0 does not imply field strength=0 at a particular point.
 
Rainbow said:
the flux through the Gaussian surface is zero, and so is the electric field intensity due the electric dipole.

No... the flux through the Gaussian surface is zero, and so the net flux outwards (through some portions of the surface) equals the net flux inwards (through other portions of the surface).
 
\int_{0}^{2\pi}{\sin\left(x\right)}dx = 0, but that does not imply sin(x) is zero for all values in the interval.
 
jtbell said:
No... the flux through the Gaussian surface is zero, and so the net flux outwards (through some portions of the surface) equals the net flux inwards (through other portions of the surface).

So, then how do we find the electric field intensity at a point due to an electric dipole using the Gauss' Law?
 
Its not easy to calculate E.Field due to dipole using Gauss Law. It is because you'll have to choose a gaussian surface such a way that you are able to calculate the E.Field there. Remember Gauss's law basically tells about the flux and *not* of E.Field.
 
Rainbow said:
So, then how do we find the electric field intensity at a point due to an electric dipole using the Gauss' Law?

I don't think you can, at least not directly. At least I've never seen it done. In order to use Gauss's Law to find the electric field, the arrangement of charge has to be symmetric enough that you can infer the direction of the electric field at all points. Then you construct a Gaussian surface which makes evaluating the integral easy. A dipole doesn't have enough symmetry for this.

However, you can of course find the field of each charge individually, using Gauss's Law, which of course gives you Coulomb's Law. Then add the two fields using the principle of superposition.

All the situations where I've seen Gauss's Law used to find the electric field have either planar, cylindrical or spherical symmetry.
 
You can use Gauss' Law only in places where you have symmetric uniform charge distribution as in case of dipole there is no symmetry so you cannot .Remember we use Gauss' law for Sphere's Cylinder's because there is Uniform charge distribution and Symmetry.
 
Thank you for helping.
 
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According to de broglie relation lambda=h/mv ...which implies that vrlocity is inversely proportional to wavelength. But According to the reletion

V=n lambda ... velocity is directly proportional to wavelength... How That diffenence is Causesd ? Am i going wrong Somowhere ?
 

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