Electric field and ball of charge

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a ball with a positive charge suspended in a uniform electric field. Participants are attempting to determine the magnitude of the electric field based on the forces acting on the ball, which hangs at an angle from the vertical.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants describe drawing free body diagrams and calculating forces in the x and y directions. Questions arise regarding the correct application of forces, particularly the role of the electric field and the charge in the equations.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the forces acting on the charged ball. Some participants are questioning the terms used in the equations, while others are providing clarifications on the correct formulation of the forces involved. Guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of the electric field and its relationship to force.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework problem, which may involve specific assumptions about the system and the forces acting on the charged object. The discussion reflects confusion over the definitions and roles of electric field and force in the context of the problem.

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As shown in the figure above, a ball with a mass of 0.180 g and positive charge of q=31.0
mC is suspended on a string of negligible mass in a uniform electric field. We observe
that the ball hangs at an angle of q=16.0o from the vertical. What is the magnitude of
the electric field?


so i drew a free body diagram and now i am going to calcuate the forces in the x and y
directions to see what E is.

since the ball is stationary Fx=0=E-Tsin(16)+q

so E=Tsine(16)+q

now i solve for T by finding the forces acting in the y direction Fy=0=Tcos(16)-mg

so T=mg/cos(16)...so i substitute that into Fx and now E=(mg/cos(16))sin(16)+q

what am i doing wrong?
 
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Rasine said:
so i drew a free body diagram and now i am going to calcuate the forces in the x and y
directions to see what E is.
Good.

since the ball is stationary Fx=0=E-Tsin(16)+q

so E=Tsine(16)+q
The force exerted by the (presumably horizontal) electric field on the charge is Eq. Rework this part.
 
What's with the '+q' term?
 
so it would be E=Tsin(16)+Eq?
 
No. It would be Tsin(16)-Eq = 0.
 
Rasine said:
so it would be E=Tsin(16)+Eq?
Not quite. Just redo your calculation of Fx.
 
Fx=0=E-Tsin(16)+the charge of the particle


where is the Electric field coming into play agian...i don't understand
 
Rasine said:
Fx=0=E-Tsin(16)+the charge of the particle
This makes no sense. You are adding the horizontal forces on the charged object. What forces act on it? E is the field, not the force! q is the charge, also not a force.

Reread the posts by neutrino and myself.
 
so the force due to the electric field is F=Eq so instead of E=Tsine(16) i would have Eq=Tsin(16)??
 
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Rasine said:
so the force due to the electric field is F=Eq so instead of E=Tsine(16) i would have Eq=Tsin(16)??
Yes. Now you've got it.
 
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thank you so much. i really appreciate it.
 

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