Electric Field in a Non-symmetric Sphere (Purcell 1.16)

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The problem involves calculating the electric field at specific points within a non-symmetric charge distribution created by a larger sphere filled with positive charge and a smaller sphere carved out from it. The context is rooted in electrostatics, specifically applying Gauss's Law and the principle of superposition.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of Gauss's Law and the principle of superposition in determining the electric field at points A and B. There are attempts to visualize the charge distribution and its effects on the electric field, with some questioning the implications of a negative charge density versus a void.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have proposed methods for calculating the electric field, while others express confusion about the implications of the charge distribution and the geometry involved. There is no explicit consensus yet on the correct approach.

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Participants are grappling with the non-symmetric nature of the charge distribution and its impact on the electric field. There are also considerations regarding the assumptions made about charge density and the geometry of the spheres involved.

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Homework Statement


In the Berkley physics course E&M book (by Purcell) problem 1.16 is giving me some issues.

A sphere of radius a was filled with positive charge at uniform density \rho. Then a smaller sphere of radius a/2 was carved out, as shown in the figure http://marines.case.edu/dods/p116.jpg

What are the direction and magnitude of the electric field at A? at B?

Homework Equations


Gauss's Law
\int_S \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{A} = 4 \pi q

The Attempt at a Solution


I am having difficulty figuring out the strength of the electric field at point A. I know that E inside of a hollow sphere with a constant surface charge \sigmais 0, so I imagined a sphere of radius a/2 cut out from the center of a sphere of radius a of a constant charge density. Due to superposition, there is no electric field inside because everything cancels out. Then I imagined moving the hollow sphere up a distance dr along the z axis (the x and y-axis is symmetrical). There is now 2\rho \pi (r (1-b/a))^2 dr -where a is the radius of the big sphere and b is the distance the center of the hollow sphere is from the center of the big sphere-difference in charge between the two hemispheres-assuming a right circular cylinder for the differential volume. Now there is not an equal distribution of charge outside the sphere and there should be a resultant electric field inside, pointing in the +z direction because there is more charge in the bottom hemisphere vs the top hemisphere. I have a hard time figuring out how to calculate the magnitude of E at the center of the radius-a sphere over the non-symmetric resultant charge distribution of the sphere.

Per gauss's law, there is no net electric flux through the hollow sphere and thus no charge enclosed (which makes sense). This was my original answer but it doesn't seem right.

For part B, I just assumed that superposition holds even though the geometry of the charge configuration is not completely spherical. The resultant charge Q = \rho (4/3 \pi r^3 - 4/3 \pi (r/2)^3) acts as a point charge and then I applied gauss's law for a point charge. Is that correct as well?
 
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It seems like you're overcomplicating things somewhat. The principle of superposition you mentioned is the key here.

You'll need to calculate:

The field of a sphere of radius a, charge density ρ.
The field of a sphere of radius a/2, charge density -ρ.
 
Redbelly98 said:
It seems like you're overcomplicating things somewhat. The principle of superposition you mentioned is the key here.

I like thinking things through quite thoroughly and i often over complicate, I've been dealing with this issue for as long as i can remember


Redbelly98 said:
You'll need to calculate:

The field of a sphere of radius a, charge density ρ.
The field of a sphere of radius a/2, charge density -ρ.

I'm confused, isn't a charge density of -ρ different than there just being no charge in there at all? Wouldn't this just make a dipole-moment-ish field? How would the superposition work moving the smaller sphere around inside of the larger sphere?

I did have a flash of inspiration and figured out how to solve the problem. If the hollow sphere is centered at +a/2, I'll draw my Gaussian surface (a sphere) at -a/2 with the center of the large sphere being the origin. This way I can get the flux at the center of the large sphere and the odd shaped sides are symmetric and will cancel out.

This raises another problem, however for point B. I think the way I solved it before was incorrect, because I was assuming all the charge inside of a gaussian sphere enclosing the large sphere with the whole acts at the center. With my new gaussian sphere I am drawing at -a/2, point B is on the other side, so it will just be the opposite direction of the field at A. Both of these the approaches cannot be correct. I think the latter is correct.

http://marines.case.edu/dods/p116-1.jpg
 
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r16 said:
I'm confused, isn't a charge density of -ρ different than there just being no charge in there at all? Wouldn't this just make a dipole-moment-ish field? How would the superposition work moving the smaller sphere around inside of the larger sphere?

Inside the smaller-sphere's volume, you can think of the charge density as a combination of +ρ (from the larger sphere) and -ρ (from a hypothetical -ρ, radius a/2, sphere), which combine to give us the situation shown in your figure.
 

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