Electric field on the equatorial line of a dipole

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The discussion revolves around the electric field and potential along the equatorial line of a dipole, focusing on the relationship between the electric field and the potential, particularly in the context of vector calculus and coordinate systems. Participants explore the implications of their calculations and the definitions involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the electric field on the equatorial line is non-zero, while the potential is zero, leading to confusion regarding the relationship between electric field and potential.
  • Another participant clarifies that the electric field is a three-dimensional vector and suggests that only the radial component was calculated.
  • A participant challenges the initial equation relating electric field and potential, proposing a more comprehensive expression involving the gradient of the potential.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding due to the lack of vector calculus in a physics book, noting that most examples in the book only consider radial components.
  • Another participant provides the correct expression for the dipole potential in spherical coordinates, emphasizing the importance of the correct power of r in the denominator and discussing the potential in cylindrical coordinates.
  • It is noted that while the potential vanishes in the equatorial plane, its derivative with respect to z does not, which can be calculated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between electric field and potential, with some agreeing on the need for a vector approach while others maintain their original interpretations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these calculations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the initial reliance on a simplified equation for electric field that does not account for vector components and the potential misunderstanding stemming from the absence of vector calculus in some educational resources.

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##\vec{E}## on the line that perpendicularly bisects the segment that joins two equal and opposite charges is non-zero, as it should be. But the potential of any point along that line is zero. But we know know that ##E=-\frac{dV}{dr} ##, where V is approximately ##\frac{1}{4\pi \epsilon} \frac{pcos\theta}{r}## (if the charges are close together) where p is the magnitude of the dipole moment . If I differentiate that with respect to r and set ##\theta=\frac{\pi}{2}##, I still get E=0. What gives?
 
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DrBanana said:
What gives?
Nothing gives. The electric field is a three dimensional vector. You only calculated its radial component in the equatorial plane.
 
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DrBanana said:
##E=-\frac{dV}{dr} ##
That's wrong. It should be:$$\overrightarrow{E}=-\overrightarrow{\nabla}V=-\hat{r}\frac{\partial V}{\partial r}-\hat{\theta}\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial V}{\partial\theta}-\hat{\phi}\frac{1}{r\sin\theta}\frac{\partial V}{\partial\phi}$$
 
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That's wrong. It should be:$$\overrightarrow{E}=-\overrightarrow{\nabla}V=-\hat{r}\frac{\partial V}{\partial r}-\hat{\theta}\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial V}{\partial\theta}-\hat{\phi}\frac{1}{r\sin\theta}\frac{\partial V}{\partial\phi}$$
Ok I think I understand what happened. My physics book doesn't touch on vector calculus and only mentions ##E=-\frac{dV}{dr}##, however most of the forces in the book only have radial components anyway so it didn't matter. But that broke down here.
 
The dipole potential in spherical coordinates is $$V=\frac{1}{4\pi \epsilon_0}\frac{p~\cos\!\theta}{r^2}.$$Note the correct power of ##r## in the denominator. Also note that with ##z=r\cos\!\theta##, you have $$V=\frac{1}{4\pi \epsilon_0}\frac{p~z}{r^3}.$$This last expression can be considered to be the dipole potential in cylindrical coordinates. In the equatorial plane (##z=0##) the potential vanishes but not its derivative with respect to ##z## which you can easily calculate.
 

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