Electric Potential and Superposition of Electric Potential

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work required to move three charges placed at the corners of a rectangle to infinity. The charges involved are -3.3e-6 C, 2.7e-6 C, and -6.6e-6 C, with specified dimensions for the rectangle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using the formula for electric potential energy, U = (k*q*qo)/r, and the concept of superposition to find the total energy of the configuration. Questions arise about how to account for multiple charge pairs and the implications of moving charges to infinity.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of how to calculate the initial and final potential energy, with some participants suggesting that the work done relates to the change in potential energy. The conversation indicates a productive exchange of ideas regarding the approach to the problem, though no consensus has been reached on the exact method.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of electric potential energy in a multi-charge system and the implications of moving charges to infinity, with some uncertainty about the correct application of formulas and the interpretation of results.

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1. Three charges are placed at the corners of a rectangle (one charge of -3.3e-6 C is placed on the bottom left hand corner, one charge of 2.7e-6 C on the upper right hand corner, and one charge of -6.6e-6 C on the upper left hand corner.) of length x = 0.65 m and height y = 0.43 m. How much work must be done to move the three charges infinitely far from one another?



2. U = (k*q*qo)/r



3. I tried using the superposition of the electric potential energy, but this did not yield the right answer. I don't know how to find the energy to push the charges to infinity!
 
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Find the electric potential energy of the configuration by considering all the charge pairs.
 
Yes, I tried that using U = (k*q*qo)/r while considering the three different charges (which means that there would be three different U values). Would you simply use this formula for the three different charges and add the values? Does this account for the fact that you are trying to push the charges to infinity?
 
spark2flame said:
Would you simply use this formula for the three different charges and add the values?
Use the formula for three different charge pairs.
Does this account for the fact that you are trying to push the charges to infinity?
You'll compare the electric PE before and after you've moved the charges to infinity.
 
Okay that makes sense about the charge pairs. So would you simply add the U values found before and after pushing the charges to infinity? Or would you do U(initial) - U(final), or would you do U(final) - U(initial)?
 
The amount of work required to move the charges will equal the change in PE.
 
Ohhh okay so its U(initial)-U(final)?

But how would you calculate the U(final) for each charge pair, which would be U = (k*q*qo)/r, if the r approaches infinity and makes U = 0? Wouldnt that make the change in PE the same thing as U(initial)?
 
spark2flame said:
Ohhh okay so its U(initial)-U(final)?
Change is always final - initial.
But how would you calculate the U(final) for each charge pair, which would be U = (k*q*qo)/r, if the r approaches infinity and makes U = 0?
Exactly.
 
hahaha FINALLY i got the right answer. thanks SO much!
 

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