Electric Potential: Derive Expression for Vxy

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The discussion revolves around deriving an expression for electric potential difference (V) between two points, X and Y, in the context of an electric field created by a single point charge (+Q). Participants are exploring the relationship between electric potential and electric field, as well as the implications of scalar quantities in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss different approaches to derive the expression for Vxy, including direct calculations and integration methods. Some question whether the derivation should stem from the electric field, while others explore the significance of scalar properties in the final expressions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of work done against electric force, highlighting the importance of sign conventions in the calculations.

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There is mention of a specific marking scheme for the problem, indicating that it may require a more in-depth approach than initially assumed. Participants express uncertainty about formatting mathematical expressions, suggesting a need for clarity in communication.

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Homework Statement


Derive an expression for p.d , V between point X and point Y in an electric field due to a single point charge +Q as shown in the figure attached .


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The Attempt at a Solution



Vxy=Vy-Vx

[tex]=\frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_o r_y}-\frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_o r_x}[/tex]

[tex]=\frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_o}(\frac{1}{r_y}-\frac{1}{r_x})[/tex]

I guess it's not that simple , because this question carries 5 marks .

sorry , i am not sure which is the icon to wrap these math codes .. could someone pls modify my post ?
 
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thereddevils said:
I guess it's not that simple , because this question carries 5 marks .
Looks OK to me. Were you supposed to derive it from the electric field?

sorry , i am not sure which is the icon to wrap these math codes .. could someone pls modify my post ?
To use Latex, wrap it with tex tags:
[tag]x^2[/tag] = [tex]x^2[/tex]

replace 'tag' with 'tex'
 
Doc Al said:
Looks OK to me. Were you supposed to derive it from the electric field?


To use Latex, wrap it with tex tags:
[tag]x^2[/tag] = [tex]x^2[/tex]

replace 'tag' with 'tex'

thanks , but this is another way of doing it ..

Vxy=Vy-Vx

and from work definition , dW=F dr

[tex]V_{xy}=\frac{F dr}{q}-\frac{F dr}{q}[/tex]

[tex]=\frac{1}{q}\int^{r_y}_{\infty} F dr-\frac{1}{q}\int^{r_x}_{\infty} F dr[/tex]

[tex]=\frac{1}{q}\int^{r_y}_{r_x} \frac{Qq}{4\pi \epsilon_o r^2}[/tex]

[tex]=\frac{Q}{4\pi \epsilon_o }[-\frac{1}{r}]^{r_y}_{r_x}[/tex]

[tex]=\frac{Q}{4\pi \epsilon_o }(\frac{1}{r_x}-\frac{1}{r_y})[/tex]

When it's derived from the definition of electric potentials , the final products are different , or can i say since electric potential is a scalar , so that shouldn't matter ?
 
thereddevils said:
When it's derived from the definition of electric potentials , the final products are different , or can i say since electric potential is a scalar , so that shouldn't matter ?
You need to calculate the work done per unit charge against the electric force, so you're missing a minus sign in the expression for force. (Signs matter!)
 
Doc Al said:
You need to calculate the work done per unit charge against the electric force, so you're missing a minus sign in the expression for force. (Signs matter!)

oh , thank you very much sir !
 

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