Electric Potential Due to Spherical Shells

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The discussion revolves around the electric potential due to a spherical shell with a non-uniform surface charge density, placed within another spherical shell that contains a perfect conductor. Participants explore the implications of the charge distribution on the electric potential and field, particularly in relation to boundary conditions and the application of Gauss's law.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the setup involving a spherical shell with a non-uniform charge density and seeks to find the electric scalar potential everywhere.
  • Another participant notes that the potential is continuous at the inner sphere and that the outer sphere being a conductor implies certain conditions for the potential.
  • A participant questions the assumption of spherical symmetry in the electric field outside the outer shell, given the non-uniform charge density of the inner shell.
  • It is suggested that the potential at the outer shell is constant and equal to the potential at the outer radius, R2, due to the conducting nature of the material.
  • Concerns are raised about the transition from a non-uniform charge distribution at the inner shell to a uniform distribution at the outer shell, questioning the physical reasoning behind this change.
  • Responses indicate that the conductivity of the material plays a role in the uniformity of charge distribution on the conductor's surface.
  • Further discussion addresses how the non-uniform electric field between the inner and outer shells leads to a non-uniform induced charge distribution at the inner edge of the outer shell.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of non-uniform charge distributions and the assumptions made regarding spherical symmetry. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of the electric field and potential in the context of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for boundary conditions at the inner and outer radii, as well as the implications of the non-uniform charge density on the electric field and potential. There are unresolved questions about the assumptions made in applying Gauss's law and the resulting implications for the charge distribution.

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Homework Statement



A spherical shell of radius R0 has a non-uniform surface charge density: η=η0*cos(2θ), where θ is the angle measured from the positive z axis and η0 is a constant. This shell is inserted into another spherical shell (this one has a volume) with its inner lip at radius R1 and outer lip at radius R2 and in the volume between there is a perfect conducting material (denoted σ→∞). this outer shell is electrically neutral.

The two spheres are concentric.

Except for the volume between r=R1 and r=R2, the whole space is characterized by the vacuum constants, ε0 and μ0

What is the electric scalar potential everywhere?

I attached a sketch of the problem.

Homework Equations



Laplace Equation in spherical coordinates with azimutal symmetry (∂/∂\varphi=0):

\nabla2ψ=0

The Attempt at a Solution



In the regions r<R0 and R0<r<R1 I write the general solution for the laplace equation:
∑(Anrn+Bnr-n-1)Pn(cosθ), n goes from 0 to ∞ and Pn() are lagandere polynomials.

In the region r<R0 i set Bn=0 so that the solution won't "explode" when r→0. I "stitch" the two potentials (from either side) at r=R0 through the continuity of the tangential electric field and the discontinuity of the normal electric field due to η.

Here i got stuck. I think that I need to find the boundary conditions at r=R1 and r=R2 but I can't find it.

Any help would be appreciated,
Thanks!
 

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The potential is continuous at the inner sphere, and as the outer sphere is conducting the potential there ...

Everything outside of R1 is easy to solve.
 
I understand that inside the volume of the outer sphere the potential is constant and equals to the potential at r=R2. but what is this potential?

In the solution that was given to us, the teacher just applied gauss's law in integral form to the region r>R2, found the electric field and then the potential. then he found the potential at r=R2 and since the volume is perfectly conducting it is also the potential at r=R1 and from there you have a boundary condition to solve for the unknown coefficients of the laplace equation.
I get all the process and it is pretty easy BUT in order to even start with applying gauss's law the teacher made the assumption that the electric field in the r>R2 region is fully spherically symmetrical meaning it has only a radial component.

how can this be if the charge density is non uniform??
 
The potential at r=R1 is the same everywhere (and the electric field strength between R1 and R2 is zero), therefore the problem "outside" has the full spherical symmetry. Every non-uniformity of the charges at the inner sphere is canceled by the non-uniform charge distribution at the inner surface of the conductor.

but what is this potential?
That is your choice - the absolute value of the potential is arbitrary, as only potential differences have a physical meaning. It is convenient to have 0 as limit for r->infinity, but it is not necessary.
 
well ill take it as it is but it still puzzles me how in a conductor one edge has non uniform distribution and at the outer edge the distribution is "suddenly" uniform. what prevents it from being also non uniform?
 
what prevents it from being also non uniform?
The conductivity of the material
 
so why in the inner edge of the outer sphere the distribution is non uniform? its the same conductor having the same conductivity. shouldn't it be uniform just with the total charge on that edge the same as the total charge in the inner sphere?
 
so why in the inner edge of the outer sphere the distribution is non uniform?
As seen from the outside: otherwise the non-spherical contributions would not cancel.
As seen from the inside: The non-uniform field between R0 and R1 leads to a non-uniform induced charge distribution at R1 (remember: charge density there is proportional to the electric field strength close to the surface).
 
okay ill ponder on this a bit more on my own..

thank you very much for your help and the extremely fast responses!
 

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