Electric potential, off by a factor of 1/2

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The problem involves a particle of positive charge fixed at a point, with a second particle of negative charge moving in a circular path. The task is to derive an expression for the work done by an external agent to change the radius of the circular motion. The discussion centers around concepts of electric potential energy and kinetic energy in the context of circular motion and forces acting on charged particles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between kinetic energy and potential energy, questioning the assumptions made about the speed of the particle at different radii. There is discussion about balancing forces in stable orbits and the implications for tangential speed. Some participants express confusion over the factor of 1/2 in the book's answer and seek clarification on the correct approach to calculating work.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their attempts and reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the balance of forces and the relationship between kinetic and potential energy. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning the assumptions about speed and energy calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of their assumptions about kinetic energy and potential energy, as well as the signs associated with work and energy changes. There is a noted confusion about the nature of electrostatic potential energy and its sign in this context.

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Homework Statement



"A particle of positive charge Q is fixed at point p. A second particle of mass m and negative charge -q moves at a constant speed in a circle of radius r1 centered at P. Derive an expression for the work that must be done by an external agent on the second particle to increase the radius of the circle of motion to r2."

Homework Equations



external work= change in U= Change in KE
U= QqK/r

The Attempt at a Solution


I assumed that the speed at r2 was the same, which might be a wrong assumption and then said the change in U= work. The work will also be negative since the force points in the opposite direction of the displacement. This works out to be w=Ur1-Ur2= kqQ(1/r1-1/r2). However the answer in the book says w=(kqQ/2)(1/r1-1/r2). I'm very confused where the 1/2 has come from. I think maybe there is a relationship between the initial and final kinetic energy that I'm not getting?

thank you
 
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I assumed that the speed at r2 was the same,
If the particle is in a stable orbit, then the centripetal force at r2 must balance the attractive force, so what must happen to the tangential speed?
 
Hi,
thanks for the tip. I set Fcent=Felec= mv^2/r=kQq/r...solving for v^2 I got V1^2= kQq/mr1 and V2^2=kQq/mr2. I pluged these values into the equation KE1+U1=KE2+U2= Wext and got wext= 3KQq/2 (r2-r1/r1r2). Where am I going wrong?
 
supersunshine said:
Fcent=Felec= mv^2/r=kQq/r...

I think
Felec = kQq/r^2
 
That you have corrected but what about the electrostatic potential energy? Is it positive, or negative!
 
thanks, i added change in KE+ change in PE and got 3/2, but i think i should have subtracted KE-PE and 1/2 kQq(1/r1-1/r2)
 

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