Electrical Circuit Analysis: Understanding Current Flow and Direction

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The discussion revolves around a physics homework problem related to electrical circuit analysis, specifically focusing on current flow and direction in a circuit with multiple loops and resistors.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the direction of current flow through a circuit involving a 15V and a 9V battery, along with various resistors. They describe their reasoning about current movement through different loops in the circuit. Other participants provide equations based on Ampère's law to analyze the circuit and express their findings regarding current values. Questions are raised about the correctness of the book's solution and the methodology used in the calculations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering different interpretations and calculations. Some suggest that the book's answer may be incorrect based on their own findings. There is ongoing clarification regarding the setup of equations and the assumptions made in the analysis.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the direction of current and the setup of the circuit equations. Participants are questioning the assumptions made in the original poster's reasoning and the subsequent calculations provided by others.

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I am currently working on a physics homework problem that is giving me some trouble. The problem involves circuit analysis. Here it is:

How much current flows through the bottom wire shown below, and in which direction?
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(http://www.cramster.com/answers-jul-08/physics/confused-current-flows-bottom-wire-inthe-figure_286422.aspx)

The answer in the book says "2.1 A, Left to Right". I cannot see how the book came up with that solution.

I made several attempts to solve the problem but the biggest issue I am struggling with is conceptual. If I can understand which way the current moves through the circuit then I think I can determine how much current moves through the bottom wire. I think that the current moves through two loops as follows:

Upward from the 15V battery through the 10 Ohm resistor
Downward through the 12 Ohm and 24 Ohm resistors
From the 24 Ohm resistor back to the 15V battery and from the 12 Ohm resistor to the 9V battery

Upward from the 9V battery through the 6 Ohm resistor
Downward through the 12 Ohm and 24 Ohm resistor
From the 24 Ohm resistor back to the 15V battery and from the 12 Ohm resistor to the 9V battery

Can somebody somebody let me know if I am making any major mistakes in my assumption of the current movements? Thanks for your help!

(I apologize for posting this question in the Classical Physics Forum instead of the Homework Questions Forum. I am not quite sure how to move it.)
 
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Decompose the circuit in 3 loops:

the first is 9V-6R-12R clockwise
the second is 15V-10R-24R anticlockwise
the third is 12R-24R anticlockwise

call i1, i2, i3 the 3 currents in each loop.

Write Ampère's law:

6i1 + 12(i1 + i3) = 9
10i2 + 24(i2 - i3) = 15
12(i3 + i1) + 24(i3 - i2) = 0

I found:

i1 = 0.2234 A
i2 = 0.7340 A
i3 = 0.4149 A

i3 is the current in the bottom wire, from left to right. It doesn't agree with your book's solution. I made the calculations twice, I can't find the mistake, but the procedure is correct.
 
Book is wrong (it happens). The answer is .41A from left to right
 
Thanks for all of your help. I have seen another solution on the internet that disagrees with the book result. You are both correct to the best of my knowledge.
 
I was lazy and modeled it (B2SPICE).
0.415A, L to R.

Dave
 
Thanks for your help!
 
Petr Mugver said:
Decompose the circuit in 3 loops:

the first is 9V-6R-12R clockwise
the second is 15V-10R-24R anticlockwise
the third is 12R-24R anticlockwise

call i1, i2, i3 the 3 currents in each loop.

Write Ampère's law:

6i1 + 12(i1 + i3) = 9
10i2 + 24(i2 - i3) = 15
12(i3 + i1) + 24(i3 - i2) = 0

Why is it 12R-24R anticlockwise and not -12R+24R since you are going anti clockwise, hence against the current when crossing 24R?

Also, why is it i2-i3 for the 24 term in the second equation?

Thanks
 

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