Electrochem - about the usage of standard pontential

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The discussion revolves around the appropriate usage of standard electrode potentials to predict the spontaneity of reactions involving hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) and various halogens (Cl2 and I2) as well as potassium iodide (KI). Participants explore the conditions under which these reactions can be considered spontaneous based on the standard potentials provided.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the standard potentials for the reduction of Cl2 and H2O2 (1 and 3) cannot be used together to predict spontaneity, suggesting that this combination yields a positive value.
  • Another participant clarifies that using the potentials for reduction (1 and 3) implies both species are being reduced, which is not feasible as there are no available electrons for both to undergo reduction simultaneously.
  • A different participant notes that using the potentials for Cl2 and the oxidation of H2O2 (1 and 4) allows for a proper redox reaction where one species acts as an oxidizer and the other as a reducing agent.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the inability to reverse the equation for Cl2, questioning if the requirement for Cl2 to be in its elemental form affects this.
  • Another participant suggests that the initial mixture does not contain Cl-, and thus the reverse reaction for Cl2 would not apply unless specifically asked about the oxidation of Cl- back to Cl2.
  • A later reply indicates that the initial understanding of using the provided values correctly has been clarified.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the necessity of balancing oxidation and reduction in redox reactions, but there remains uncertainty regarding the specific conditions under which certain standard potentials can be applied. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach for all scenarios presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of using different standard potentials, particularly regarding the reversibility of reactions and the conditions required for spontaneity. There are also assumptions about the initial states of the reactants that are not explicitly stated.

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Hi guys, I've got this question where i am abit confused by which value should be used.

Predict if a spontaneous reaction takes place between
a) H2O2 and Cl2
b) H2O2 and I2
c) H2O2 and KI

1/2 Cl2 + e- [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] Cl- (E = +1.36) --- 1
1/2 I2 + e- [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] I- (E =+0.54) --- 2
1/2 H2O2 + H+ + e- [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] H2O (E = +1.77) --- 3
O2 + 2H+ + 2e- [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] H2O2 (E = +0.68) --- 4

As I've seen the solution, my question is, why for a) and b) i couldn't use the value for 1 and 3?

for example for a) using the 3 and 1 value, i get a positive value which means it is spontaneous, but in my book, it uses the value 1 and 4 which is spontaneous too.

(sorry for the messy E value thing)
 
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1&3 means you are going to reduce both Cl2 and H2O2 - where are you going to take electrons from? 1&4 means one acts as an oxidizer, the other as reducing agent, and electrons nicely balance.

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Thanks borek. But i wonder why i couldn't revert the equation for 1? is it because it stated that it has to be Cl2 ?
 
Initial mixture doesn't contain Cl-. If you were asked whether Cl- can be oxidized to Cl2 by hydrogen peroxide, reversed 1 might be used as a clue.

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Thanks i think i got it now, so i take the value what was given at first :)
 

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