Why Do Standard Reduction Potentials Differ in Textbooks?

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The discussion revolves around the differences in standard reduction potentials as presented in various textbooks. Participants explore the half-reactions involved in specific redox reactions, the implications of concentration on these potentials, and the relationship between solubility product constants (Ksp) and redox reactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the half-reactions for the redox process involving chromium and silver chloride, expressing confusion over the correct representation of these reactions.
  • Another participant suggests that the difference in standard reduction potentials for silver is due to the immediate removal of Ag+ from the solution in the presence of Cl-, leading to different concentrations affecting the potential.
  • A participant expresses unfamiliarity with the concept of Ksp in relation to redox reactions, indicating that it was not covered in their class.
  • There is a contention regarding whether Ksp is relevant to redox reactions, with one participant asserting that it is a separate concept while another argues that they are interconnected.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their teacher's coverage of Ksp and suggests private communication for further clarification.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that Ksp is unrelated to redox reactions, emphasizing the need to apply knowledge to solve problems rather than relying solely on previously shown solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relevance of Ksp to redox reactions, with some asserting its importance while others believe it was not adequately covered in their education. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct half-reactions and the application of Ksp in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the treatment of moles in half-reactions and the application of Ksp, indicating potential gaps in understanding or instruction. The discussion reflects a variety of interpretations and assumptions regarding these concepts.

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The voltage is slightly different in my textbook.

The questions I am trying to answer involve getting both half reactions and adding up the volts. The problem I am not getting the half reactions.

here are the questions s= solid e- = electrons

Cr(s) + 3AgCl(s) CrCl3(aq) + 3Ag(s) <---> One of the half reactions I get and the other I don't.

Cr>Cr3+ + 3e = -.744 (.744 in my text)

Cr3+(aq) + 3e-<>Cr(s) = .744V

Now this is where I have trouble. I think it would be Ag+ (aq) + e- <> Ag(s)

but the problem is the half reaction when I write is this. 3Agcl(s)+e->3AG(s)

Because of the nature of reaction I would eliminate the moles and the cl which gives

Ag+ (s) + e- <> Ag(s).

This is very similar but there solid where there is an "aq" How is this possible

question 2) Cl2+ 2Br> 2Cl- +Br2 two half reactions e- + Cl2<> 2Cl- the closet half reaction in my book is 2e- + Cl2 <> 2Cl- clearly there is a "2e-" Did I assign oxidation numbers wrong. Again I get for the other half reaction I get 2Br(-)<>br2+e- and it should be br2+ 2e<>2Br

Also why do sometimes you remove the moles like ex 1 and ex 2 you keep the moles in the equation?

Can someone answer this by doing the question and posting a picture of the equation and the work so I can understand.

Please tell me if this very messy and I will rewrite it,

Thanks for your help.
 
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Yes, it is messy, but at least the first thing is easy to address.

You are in a way right - the reaction is Ag → Ag+. However, in the presence of Cl- Ag+ immediately is removed from the solution, so the concentration of Ag+ is Ksp/[Cl-] (do you see why?). That means standard redox potentials for reactions Ag → Ag+ and Ag + Cl- → AgCl (electrons omitted for brevity) are different.
 
billllib said:
In class we didn't covered Ksp/[Cl-]

Sure you did, you just don't see it (which sadly means you have not learned the basics well).

Assuming there is a solid AgCl in the equilibrium with the solution of chlorides of concentration [Cl-], what is the concentration of Ag+?

billllib said:
Ksp was not used for or related to redox reactions. Ksp was its own unit.

It is like saying "I don't know how to calculate 3*5+6, multiplication was its own unit". These are not separated things, they all happen at the same time in the solution.
 
I am almost certain my teacher didn't teach that. I will send you a private pm because I want to keep the class I am in private. So don't link if you find it, The teacher posts all the notes online.

Please respond in a private pm.
 
I may have accidentally picked the wrong page and it was not assigned. It was assigned sorry.
 
billllib said:
I am almost certain my teacher didn't teach that.

You were told what Ksp is, that's perfectly enough.

Problem solving doesn't mean "copy the solution you were already shown in the past" but "apply your knowledge to find the solution". And you know everything that is needed here. Even if you were not shown exactly identical problem it is not more difficult than other problems shown in the notes.

I once again suggest that you try to solve this question:

Borek said:
Assuming there is a solid AgCl in the equilibrium with the solution of chlorides of concentration [Cl-], what is the concentration of Ag+?

assuming Ksp=10-10, and [Cl-] = 1 M.
 

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