Electrodes for use in the electrolysis of water

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of various materials as electrodes in the electrolysis of water, exploring their properties, reactions, and effectiveness. Participants share personal experiences and inquire about the chemical interactions occurring at the electrodes, particularly focusing on carbon and copper electrodes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether carbon will react with oxygen at the anode to form carbon dioxide or monoxide during electrolysis.
  • Another participant notes that copper is not inert enough and suggests that its smooth surface may hinder gas formation due to a high overpotential required for water decomposition.
  • Some participants propose that carbon electrodes react with oxygen to produce carbon dioxide, while others suggest the formation of graphite oxide instead.
  • Concerns are raised about the degradation of porous graphite electrodes, which can lead to discoloration of the water.
  • A participant mentions that stainless steel works well on the cathode side but may react with oxygen to form chromium oxide.
  • There is a suggestion to use carbon nanotubes as a potential electrode material.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reactions involving carbon electrodes, particularly whether carbon reacts to form carbon dioxide or graphite oxide. There is also no consensus on the effectiveness of copper as an electrode material, with some agreeing on its limitations while others explore its potential issues.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of electrode material selection and the kinetics involved in the electrolysis process, but do not resolve the specific reactions or materials that are optimal for this application.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring electrolysis, materials science, and the chemistry of electrodes in electrochemical processes.

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Ok so I just have a few questions.

I've been reading up on the electrolysis of water and just read a few things about electrodes. The article I was reading supports the use of inert metals such platinum and stainless steel, but it also included carbon. I've actually used carbon to decompose water by connecting a 9V battery to two separate pencils. My question with carbon is, at the anode, where oxygen is produced, because there is an electrical charge, will this carbon react with the oxygen to form carbon dioxide or monoxide?

Also, I tried using copper by itself as an electrode and it did not seem to work. Any ideas? the wire was smooth, so should the surface of an electrode be coarse as to possesses nucleation sites for the gases to form?

And for a vague question, what makes a good electrode, specifically for the electrolysis of water?

(These are not homework question. Purely interest.)
 
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Copper is not inert enough. Smooth surface can be a source of problem, it also could be that there is a high overpotential required for water decomposition on copper. Most of the oxygen producing electrode reactions are slow, their speed depend on the electrode material - so correct selection of material is crucial. But I can't help you in details, I just know that it is a kinetics problem, I don't know any solutions.

Carbon electrodes do react with oxygen, from what I remember they react producing carbon dioxide.
 
I'd rather guess graphite oxide instead of CO2. When I did it, the graphite decomposed into a black slurry.
 
DrDu said:
I'd rather guess graphite oxide instead of CO2. When I did it, the graphite decomposed into a black slurry.

Same here. Last time I build an electrolyzer it used porous graphite electrodes which eventually turned the water a dark tint of black. I have yet to find a good material which works well for electrolyzers unless you have a very good catalyst (ie. Platinum, Palladium, etc). Stainless steel works well on the cathode side but I've read that Oxygen will slowly react with the Chromium in the SS and generate Chromium Oxide.
 
DrDu said:
I'd rather guess graphite oxide instead of CO2. When I did it, the graphite decomposed into a black slurry.

Well graphite oxide is actually yellow in color, so it's probably not that. Most likely just bit and pieces of the graphite breaking and cracking.

How would you go about catalizing this reaction?
 
How about carbon nanotubes "drop cast" onto some metal electrode of your choice?
 

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