Electromagnetic waves, Faraday's law

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The discussion revolves around the properties of electromagnetic waves, specifically focusing on the relationship between the electric field (E) and magnetic field (H) vectors as described by Faraday's law. The original poster is examining a plane polarized electromagnetic wave traveling in the x-z plane, where both E and the wave vector k have components in the x and z directions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the relationship between E and H for a wave with components in both the x and z directions, questioning why their calculations do not yield the expected ratio. Participants discuss the conditions under which the relationship holds, particularly the perpendicularity of k and E.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's attempts, providing feedback on the assumptions made regarding the orientation of the vectors involved. There is a recognition of the need for clarity regarding the relationship between the wave vector and the electric field.

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There is mention of a missing visual aid that the original poster intended to share, which may have implications for understanding the problem setup. The discussion also touches on the conditions necessary for the mathematical relationships to hold true.

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Homework Statement


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For a plane polarized electromagnetic wave traveling along the z axis, with its E vector parallel to the x-axis and its H vector parallel to the y axis, Faraday's law

\nabla\times \textbf{E}=-\frac{\partial \textbf{B}}{\partial t}

gives that

\frac{E}{H}=\frac{\omega\mu}{k}, where E and H are the moduli of E and H.

ETA: It is assumed that \textbf{H}=\textbf{B}/\mu

My problem is with an em-wave traveling in the x-z plane (were E and k have both x and z components). Apparently, I'm supposed to get the same ratio between E and H as above.

The Attempt at a Solution



\begin{vmatrix}<br /> \textbf{i} &amp; \textbf{j} &amp; \textbf{k}\\<br /> ik_x &amp; 0 &amp; ik_z\\<br /> E_x &amp; 0 &amp; E_z<br /> \end{vmatrix}=i\omega\mu H\textbf{j} \Longrightarrow \textbf{H}=\frac{1}{\omega\mu}(k_zE_x-k_xE_z)\exp i(k_xx+k_zz-\omega t)\textbf{j}

Taking the modulus of H doesn't yield the correct answer, so I'm out of clues.
 
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Hi _Andreas! :smile:

That'll only work if k and E are perpendicular :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi _Andreas! :smile:

That'll only work if k and E are perpendicular :wink:

Hi!

But they are. Take a look at the picture I drew.

BTW, the k in the last expression above (that for H) shouldn't be there.
 
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_Andreas said:
Hi!

But they are. Take a look at the picture I drew.

(wot picture? :confused:)

Exactly … so if k is perpendicular to E, then |k x E| = |k| |E| :wink:
 
Where'd my picture go?

tiny-tim said:
Exactly … so if k is perpendicular to E, then |k x E| = |k| |E| :wink:


Ooops! I deserve a facepalm.

Thanks.
 

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