Electron oscillation between states

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of electron oscillation during transitions between energy states in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of electron decay and photon emission. Participants explore both classical and modern interpretations of these transitions, examining the implications for understanding radiation emission.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls a notion that electrons oscillate between states during decay, suggesting this could explain the emission of radiation.
  • Another participant challenges this idea, stating that it reflects an outdated classical interpretation of quantum transitions, emphasizing that the transition is instantaneous despite continuous probability changes.
  • A third participant supports the oscillation concept, referencing a time-dependent perturbation approach that shows oscillation in the electron's position distribution during state transitions, linking it to the emitted photon frequency.
  • A fourth participant notes that this oscillation is a standard problem in non-relativistic quantum mechanics, suggesting that many texts cover it, and contrasts it with quantum field theory, which better addresses photon emission and absorption.
  • A fifth participant confirms the initial idea by providing a link to a resource discussing electron behavior and photon emission.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of electron transitions. While some support the idea of oscillation, others argue against it, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are references to classical versus modern interpretations of quantum mechanics, and the discussion highlights limitations in non-relativistic quantum mechanics regarding photon interactions.

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Hi, it's been awhile since taking a quantum mechanics course, but I thought I read somewhere that during an electron decay into a lower stationary state, it can be shown to literally oscillate between the states momentarily, hence providing a clear source of acceleration in a kind of oscillator motion for the creation of the emitted radiation. Did I dream this? It seems if I didn't, it should be more prevalent in explanations of decay and photon emission.
 
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Don't believe everything you read. You probably did read that somewhere, but it's an old pre-quantum-mechanical way of attempting to explain discontinuous quantum transitions in terms of continuous classical processes. The modern (since ~ 70 years) viewpoint is that while the probability of finding the electron in the final state does increase continuously, the transition itself is instantaneous.
 
Bill_K said:
The modern (since ~ 70 years) viewpoint is that while the probability of finding the electron in the final state does increase continuously, the transition itself is instantaneous.

Actually, I remember my 3rd yr QM lecturer deriving something similar to what the OP said. I think it was some kind of time-dependent perturbation approach to an atom interacting with a radiation field. He was able to show that the (time dependent) position distribution for the electron did indeed oscillate on its way down from a higher energy state to a lower one, and that the oscillation frequency corresponded to the emitted photon (i.e., energy difference between the states).

Can't find a reference though. :-(
 
Isn't that just a standard problem in non-relativistic QM? Pretty much every text I've seen talks about this during its discussion of time-dependent perturbation theory (a Google search brought up http://www.ecse.rpi.edu/~schubert/Course-ECSE-6968%20Quantum%20mechanics/Ch11%20Time-dependent%20perturb.pdf , which discusses it in section 11.3).

That's pretty much the best you can do in non-relativistic QM, since there's no way in that framework to talk about the emission/absorption of a photon. QFT can do better, since both the electron and the EM field are described by quantum variables, and particle number can change.
 
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Hi, it looks like I didn't dream it!

http://www.attoworld.de/Home/attoworld/ElectronsAndLight/EmissionOfPhotons/index.html
 
Thanks strangerep and Chopin :)
 

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