Electron's movement due to electric forces

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The problem involves four electrons initially positioned at the vertices of a square and their movement due to electric forces as they move far apart. The subject area includes electrostatics and dynamics, focusing on the forces acting on charged particles and their resulting motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on each electron and the complexity of the changing distances between them. Some suggest considering energy conservation as a potential approach, while others reflect on the symmetry of the problem and its implications for the electrons' motion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different perspectives on the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of energy conservation, and there is an acknowledgment of the symmetry in the configuration that may simplify the analysis.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of dealing with variable accelerations as the electrons move apart, and there is a mention of the initial potential energy in the system, which may be relevant to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


4 electrons are moving due to electric forces. Find their velocity when they are very far away from each other, if initially they were on a square's (side length a = 20 cm) vertexes.


Homework Equations


[itex]F = \frac{kq_1q_2}{r^2}[/itex]
[itex]k = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}[/itex]


The Attempt at a Solution


Firstly, each electron is pushed by the other three electrons. Let the forces be [itex]\vec{F_1}, \vec{F_2}[/itex] and [itex]\vec{F_3}[/itex], and [itex]\vec{F_1}, \vec{F_2}[/itex] are the forces exerted by adjacent electrons. Since those two vectors are right-angled, the scalar sum of those vectors will equal to [itex]F_{12} = \sqrt{F_1^2 + F_2^2}[/itex]. Both those forces are [itex]F_1=F_2=\frac{kq^2}{x^2}[/itex], where q is electron's charge and x is distance between two electrons at some point of time. So [itex]F_{12} = \sqrt{2\frac{k^2 q^4}{x^4}} = \frac{k q^2}{x^2}\sqrt{2}[/itex] The opposite electron's (to the first one) force vector is in the same direction as the force [itex]F_{12}[/itex], so [itex]F_{123} = F = F_3 + F_{12}[/itex]. Since we have a square here: [itex]F_3 = \frac{kq^2}{ (\sqrt{2}x )^2 } = \frac{kq^2}{2x^2}[/itex]. Now we know that [itex]F=ma[/itex], so [itex]ma = \frac{kq^2}{x^2}(\sqrt{2} + \frac{2}{2})[/itex]. Now what's really confusing me is that the accelerations seems to be a variable here, since x is changing. I have found that [itex]v = \frac{d^2 x}{dt^2}t + \frac{d^3x}{dt^3}t^2[/itex], but that doesn't really help me a lot ( I don't know how to solve such differential equations).

Any help appreciated!
Rugile
 
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Have you considered an energy conservation approach? What's the total PE in the initial configuration?
 
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Would it be an idea to think of this in terms of energies? Because of the symmetry I would expect each electron to fly off into infinity, thereby converting electrostatic potential energy into kinetic energy.

Ah, again, even quick replies cross. Well, the hints are alike, so there you go...
 
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Oh, that's right! Not so difficult as I thought :) thank you!
 

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