Electrostatic force and # of elementary particles

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electrostatic force and the number of elementary charges between two charged balloons positioned in an isosceles triangle formation. The problem involves given masses, lengths, and an angle, with the participants exploring the relationships between these variables.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the electrostatic force using tension and gravitational forces, while also calculating the charge on each balloon. Some participants question the clarity of the physical setup and request a diagram for better understanding.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback and guidance. One participant has clarified their need for help specifically with the electrostatic force after initially misunderstanding the problem's requirements. A formula for calculating the electrostatic force has been suggested, along with a note on determining the distance between the charges.

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There is a mention of a misinterpretation regarding the number of elementary charges versus elementary particles, indicating a need for precise definitions in the problem context. The original poster has provided calculations for tension and charge but seeks further assistance on the electrostatic force aspect.

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I need to find the electrostatic force & the number of elementary particles between two charged balloons held in the center of their strings (Think of an Isosceles Triangle).

Homework Statement


Mpurple(balloon) - .00354 kg
Mred - .00405 kg
Lpurple - .725 m
Lred - .68 m
θ = 16°
T = Tension

2. Homework Equations & The attempt at a solution

Fnet1 = Mpurple*g - Tcosθ = 0 T2 = (Mred*g)/cosθ
Tcosθ = Mpurple*g
T1 = (Mpurple*g)/cosθ

Fnetx = F-Tsinθ
Tsinθ = F
(M*g)/cosθ * sinθ = F
M*g*tanθ = (k*q²)/r²
M*g*tanθ = (k*q²)/(Lpurple*sinθ + Lred*sinθ)
(Lpurple*sinθ + Lred*sinθ)*( M*g*tanθ) = k*q²
q² = ((Lpurple*sinθ + Lred*sinθ)*( M*g*tanθ))/k
q = √(((Lpurple*sinθ + Lred*sinθ)*( M*g*tanθ))/k)
qPurple = √(((.725*sin16° + .68*sin16°)*( .00354*9.81*tan16°))/8.99x109)
qRed = √(((.725*sin16° + .68*sin16°)*( .00405*9.81*tan16°))/8.99x109)

Tpurple = (.00354 kg * 9.81m/s²)/cos16° = 0.036 N
Tred = (.00405 kg * 9.81m/s²)/cos16° = 0.041 N
qPurple = 6.54 x 10-7 C
qRed = 7.01 x 10-7 C





I don't know how I'd go about finding the Electrostatic force or the number of elementary particles. Any help is appreciated.
 
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anyway you can post a diagram--or at least better describe the physical situation. You've done a lot of work and we would like to help..
 
OK, diagram coming up (If you can read my handwriting) Also, I misread the handout. I was looking for the number of elementary charges, not particles. I know how to do that, so I only need help with the electrostatic force.

diagram.jpg
 
For electrostatic force, use the equation:

F=[1/(4*pi*e0)]*[abs(Q1)*abs(Q2)]r^2

where e0 is the permittivity of free space.

and r is the distance between the charges. Just find the distance between the balloons (which can be solved with some elementary trig) and you have your answer.
 
Ok, thanks.
 

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