Electrostatic force electroscope

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The discussion revolves around an electroscope problem involving electrostatic forces and equilibrium. The electroscope consists of wires with charged spheres at the ends, and the participants are exploring how to determine the total charge applied to the electroscope based on the forces acting on the spheres.

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  • Participants discuss the equilibrium of charges and the forces acting on the spheres. There are attempts to set up equations based on free body diagrams and trigonometric relationships. Questions arise about the assumptions made regarding the mass of the wires and the charges.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and guidance on how to approach the problem. There is a recognition of the need to consider all forces acting on the spheres and the conditions for static equilibrium. Some participants are exploring different interpretations of the forces involved.

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Participants note the importance of ignoring the mass of the wires while considering the mass of the charges. There is also mention of the gravitational force acting on the charges, which may be relevant to the problem setup.

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A large electroscope is made with “leaves” that are 78-cm-long wires with tiny 24-g spheres at the ends. When charged, nearly all the charge resides on the spheres. If the wires each make a 3.0E1° angle with the vertical (see figure), what total charge Q must have been applied to the electroscope? Ignore the mass of the wires.

*here is what I did...and got stuck in the middle of doing this problem*

Well, first I found the distance between Q/2 and Q/2. Then I applied this equation http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/besuu4/b836e8b8cc7c00400c5910d3eca76e37.png to find Q. The problem is I don't have F (force) value to solved it by using the equation I provided. Anyway...I am just confusing myself. Hints are welcome. Thanks.
 

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You know that the charges are not moving. This means they must be in equillibrium. Set up a free body diagram.
 
You are told to ignore the mass of the wires. But don't ignore the mass of the charges.

Assume this occurs on Earth. (Weight a minute, is this a clue to the "missing force"?)

Can you say "trigonometry"?
 
I think I get your clue, Chi Meson.

I know this is oscesles (sp?) triangle so the other two angle must be equal which is 60 degrees. I then used Sin(30)=X/78=39 to find the length and mutliple by 2 to get the full length (happened to be 78cm).

Then I used F=ma to find the force. F=(.024kg)(9.8m/s^2)=.2352N.
after that, I used this equation http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/besuu4/b836e8b8cc7c00400c5910d3eca76e37.png to solve for Q.

.2352N=1/4*pi*8.85e-12*(Q^2/78cm^2)
So the answer is Q=1.59e-7 C, correct?
 
so...right or not? Thanks.
 
Not quite! The forces don't have to be equal for equilibrium as they're not in opposite directions. Also, the charge on each ball isn't Q. Inquire further for more help.
 
joanne,

Start by identifying all the forces acting on one of the spheres. (I count three forces acting.) Label the forces in a diagram, then apply the conditions for static equilibrium: The net force must be zero. (Hint: Write two equations. One for vertical components; one for horizontal components.)
 
Well not quite for vertical and horizontal... right? But yeah for two perpendicular directions. See if you can find out which :)
Edit: well I guess it doesn't matter, but one way you can ignore 1 of the 3 forces.
 

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