Electrostatics: Gauss' Law Problem Finding the Flux through a Conducting Spherical Shell

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to Gauss' Law and electrostatics, specifically concerning the flux through a conducting spherical shell with an enclosed charge Q/2 and an external charge 2Q. Participants are examining the implications of charge distribution and electric fields in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are questioning the validity of the flux being zero due to the enclosed charge Q/2. There are discussions about the implications of charge distribution on the shell and the resulting electric fields. Some participants suggest that the problem statement lacks clarity regarding the nature of the shell and the assumptions made about charge distribution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with multiple interpretations being explored regarding the electric flux and the forces acting on charges within and around the shell. Some participants have offered insights into the implications of charge induction and the behavior of electric fields, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct interpretation of the problem.

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Participants note that the problem statement could be more specific about the nature of the conducting shell and the conditions under which the electric field is considered to be zero. There are also references to the potential confusion arising from the wording used in the problem description.

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Homework Statement
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I think the answer to part (i) is given wrong. The flux can't be zero because there is a charge Q/2 enclosed by the shell. So, the flux should be Q/2 divided by permittivity of free space.
Now in part (iii), the force on charge at point A is given correct. However, the force on charge at centre C of shell (Q/2) is given zero, which I think is wrong. This is because Q/2 is experiencing a force due to 2Q charge at point A. How can we neglect that? So, the force experienced by Q/2 should be kQ/x^2.
 
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Dev said:
The flux can't be zero because there is a charge Q/2 enclosed by the shell.
Induction?
 
The problem is very very wrong.

Based on the answer it seems to me that (a) and (b) refer to the field generated by the sphere only, which is very much unclear from the problem statement.

For (c), the force on the middle charge is zero, but not for the reasons given.

The word ”metallic” in the problem statement would typically indicate the author intends the sphere to be a conductor. That means the charge Q will not distribute equally across the sphere once you break the symmetry by introducing the 2Q charge.
 
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If a point charge approaches the surface of a conductor, the force of attraction between the point charge and the induced charge on the surface will diverge as the distance between the charge and the surface goes to zero. So, it is clear that the answer given for part (iii) cannot be correct since it does not diverge as ##x \rightarrow R##.

When ##x \gg R##, their answer will be a good approximation for the force on 2Q.
 
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Dev said:
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I think the answer to part (i) is given wrong. The flux can't be zero because there is a charge Q/2 enclosed by the shell. So, the flux should be Q/2 divided by permittivity of free space.
The intention may be this...

The internal point charge of ##\frac Q2## induces a charge of ##-\frac Q2## on the inner surface of the shell (as suggested, I think, by @haruspex in Post #2).

The net charge inside the shell will then be ##\frac Q2 + (-\frac Q2) = 0## so the net electric flux 'through the shell' will be zero. Note that a total charge of ##Q+\frac Q2 = \frac {3Q}2## will reside on the outer surface of the shell so this does not contribute to the net flux 'through the shell'.

Edit - minor typo' corrected.
 
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Steve4Physics said:
The intention may be this...

The internal point charge of ##\frac Q2## induces a charge of ##-\frac Q2## on the inner surface of the shell (as suggested, I think, by @haruspex in Post #2).

The net charge inside the shell will then be ##\frac Q2 + (-\frac Q2) = 0## so the net electric flux 'through the shell' will be zero. Note that a total charge of ##Q+\frac Q2 = \frac {3Q}2##a will reside on the outer surface of the shell so this does not contribute to the net flux 'through the shell'.
That may be but in that case the problem should be more specific regarding this and not only call it a ”thin” shell. Later they also use the zero flux to argue that the field inside the shell is zero - which it is not if you consider the Q/2 charge.

Regardless, (c) is just plain wrong.
 
Orodruin said:
Later they also use the zero flux to argue that the field inside the shell is zero - which it is not if you consider the Q/2 charge.
The wording is "inside the spherical conducting shell", which I take to mean within the material of the shell, not the cavity it surrounds.
But yes, it should have been clearer.
 
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haruspex said:
The wording is "inside the spherical conducting shell",
It is not. It is ”through the shell”
 
Orodruin said:
It is not. It is ”through the shell”
I read your post #6 as referring to solution part (iii): "We know that field or net charge inside the spherical conducting shell…"
 
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I know this thread is old but to me this seems like a method of images problem.
 

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