Electrostatics - two capacitors in parallel

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The problem involves two capacitors, one with a capacitance of 6 microFarads and the other with 3 microFarads, connected in parallel to a voltage of 24 Volts. After being charged, the capacitors are disconnected and then reconnected with opposite polarities. The original poster seeks to determine the energy wasted during this process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster calculates the energy stored in the capacitors before and after reconnection but expresses uncertainty about the second state and how to properly account for charge distribution after reconnection. Participants suggest using charge equations to find the final voltage and discuss the effects of reversing the capacitors on charge cancellation.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various interpretations of charge behavior when capacitors are reconnected with opposite signs. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of final voltage and charge, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or understanding of the underlying principles.

Contextual Notes

The original poster indicates a lack of clarity regarding the logic behind charge distribution and energy changes in the system, suggesting potential gaps in understanding fundamental concepts of capacitor behavior in circuits.

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Homework Statement



We begin with two capacitors c(1)=6 microFarad and c(2)=3 microFarad in parallel which are connected to V=24Volts. The charged capacitors are disconnected and is being connected to each other on opposite signs (+ to -). How much Energy is got wasted in the process?


Homework Equations



Energy=(1/2)CV^2=(1/2)QV

The Attempt at a Solution



I calculated the first array for energy and got 2.592X10^-3 Joules, and then the second array, which I am not sure how to get it right (and I will be more then happy if you can offer a general interpretation of the second state I mentioned) and I got 2.304X10^-3 Joules so the diff. is about 0.288X10^-3 Joules.
a) How should I calculate such a case (e.g. how the Charges/Capacities/Volts are being distributed after reconnection)?
b) What have I done wrong?

Thank you
 
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When you reverse the capacitors, use Q=CV to tell you what the final voltage is...
 
The new Q is just the same as the old one? (2.16X10^4 C)
 
zimo said:
The new Q is just the same as the old one? (2.16X10^4 C)

No, some of the charge gets canceled out when you reverse the orientation of the caps and reconnect them. If you have 2 coulombs on one cap and 3 columbs on the other (just making up round numbers here as an example), and then you reverse the caps, what it the net charge left on the parallel combination of those caps?
 
1 Coulomb.
As a matter of fact, I realized it 5 minutes after posting... but then got stuck again,
I think I really missing the logics behind the whole thing :-(
 
zimo said:
I realized it 5 minutes after posting... but then got stuck again,
I think I really missing the logics behind the whole thing :-(

I'll give one more hint, and then we need to see some more work from you. Initially you have the two caps in parallel, and you can calculate the charge on each based on the capacitances and voltage. Then when you disconnect them and invert one and reconnect them, some of the charge will cancel, and you will be left with the rest, now on the parallel combination of the caps. This new Q value and same total C value will give you a new voltage across the caps. Calculate this voltage, and then you can proceed to the energy change question.
 

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