Elements on Earth: Supernova & Planets

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The discussion centers around the origins of elements on Earth, particularly in relation to supernovae, and why not all elements are found on every planet. Participants explore the implications of planetary formation and the distribution of elements across different celestial bodies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that while supernovae are responsible for the creation of elements, the varying conditions during planetary formation lead to differences in elemental abundance across planets.
  • One participant suggests that all natural stable elements and longer-lived unstable ones are likely found on every planet in trace amounts, with variations in concentration due to formation conditions.
  • Another participant discusses the temperature gradients within 4AU of the Sun, arguing that high temperatures favored the formation of rocky planets from high melting point materials, while lower temperatures allowed for the formation of gas giants further out.
  • Some participants note that the distribution of planets in other systems can differ significantly, with gas giants found close to their stars, which may challenge existing theories about planetary formation.
  • One participant mentions that examining extraterrestrial materials, such as Moon rocks and meteorites, could provide insights into the abundance of elements across different celestial bodies.
  • There is a reference to the Sun's spectrum revealing about 60 elements, highlighting the challenges of studying other stars for similar data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the distribution of elements across planets, with some asserting that all elements are present in trace amounts while others emphasize the role of formation conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent and implications of these claims.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific conditions during planetary formation and the challenges in obtaining comprehensive data on elemental abundances in celestial bodies beyond Earth.

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If super nova is responsible for all elements on earth, including the ones that humans were made from, why aren't all elements found on every planet?
 
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yardtick said:
If super nova is responsible for all elements on earth, including the ones that humans were made from, why aren't all elements found on every planet?

I'd be willing to bet that all natural stable elements and the longer lived unstable ones are found on every planet in at least trace amounts. The differences in the formation of each planet ultimately decides the ratio of one element to another.
 
Within 4AU distance from the Sun, temperature was too high favoring only high melting point materials (iron, silica etc) to gather together to form rocky planets. This matter is rare (i.e. just 1% of total matter) and thus the terrestrial planets could not grow bigger. Further away, lower temperature created ices that gathered together to attract huge quantity of Hydrogen and Helium to become gas giants.
 
Still, I'm sure Drakkith is right, and all elements are found on every planet, just in different concentrations. To the OP - can you name a stable element not found on Earth?
 
manojr said:
Within 4AU distance from the Sun, temperature was too high favoring only high melting point materials (iron, silica etc) to gather together to form rocky planets. This matter is rare (i.e. just 1% of total matter) and thus the terrestrial planets could not grow bigger. Further away, lower temperature created ices that gathered together to attract huge quantity of Hydrogen and Helium to become gas giants.
This is a nice theory which can explain the position of the planets in our solar system. However, it is known that there are a lot of other planet distributions in other systems - including gas giants very close to the star.
While it might be true that these gas giants cannot form too close to the planet, they can change their orbit a lot after their formation.


I'd be willing to bet that all natural stable elements and the longer lived unstable ones are found on every planet in at least trace amounts.
Same here.
 
One can test this hypothesis by looking at the element abundances in extraterrestrial materials that we already have: Moon rocks and meteorites. Some meteorites come from various sizable objects, like the Moon, Mars, and asteroids like Vesta.

You'll have to search through the literature to find detailed numbers, but from what I've found, many of the stable elements are present.

For the Sun, one can look for elements in its spectrum, and to date, about 60 have been found. That's much more difficult for other stars, however.
 

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