Elliptical Orbit and Kepler's equation

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The discussion clarifies the relationship between elliptical orbits and Kepler's equations, specifically addressing the equations for an ellipse and the eccentric anomaly. The equation for an ellipse is given as \(1 = \frac{x^2}{a^2} + \frac{y^2}{b^2}\), while Kepler's equations are expressed as \(x = a(\cos(E)-e)\) and \(y = b\sin(E)\). A critical insight reveals that the coordinate system used affects the interpretation of these equations, particularly that the origin must be at the focus of the ellipse for the equations to hold true. The discussion also points out inaccuracies in the diagram on the Wikipedia page regarding the eccentric anomaly.

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Trying to make sense of the math here.
It is easy to find that the equation for an ellipse is:
$$1 = x^2/a^2 + y^2/b^2$$
Then according to Kepler's equation:
$$x = a(\cos(E)-e)$$
$$y = b\sin(E)$$
where E is the eccentric anomaly and e is the eccentricity.

If you plug the Kepler's equations' x and y into the equation for the ellipse, you get a relationship that does not hold:
$$\cos(E) = e/2$$
Are the Kepler's equations approximate? I thought they were exact. What is wrong here?
 
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Try reading the Wiki entry on Eccentric anomaly and studying the diagram. When you write:
\frac{x^2}{a^2} + \frac{y^2}{b^2} = 1
You are implicitly assuming that the (0,0) point is at the center of the ellipse, not at the focus. In this coordinate system, x = a \cos(E), and y = b \sin(E). The formulas you gave for x and y are in the coordinate system where (0,0) is at the focus of the ellipse (i.e. at the sun). In this coordinate system:
\frac{(x + a e)^2}{a^2} + \frac{y^2}{b^2} = 1
Then everything works out. Note that the diagram in the Wiki page on Eccentric Anomaly is wrong. The distance from the center to the focus is a*e, not e.
 
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