Mathematical Proof of Kepler's First Law of Orbits

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical proof of Kepler's first law of orbits, specifically focusing on the derivation of the equation for an elliptical orbit. Participants are exploring the underlying equations and concepts related to the semi-latus rectum, semi-major axis, eccentricity, and true anomaly.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Memocyl seeks assistance in understanding the derivation of the equation for elliptical orbits related to Kepler's first law, specifically the relationship between distance, semi-latus rectum, semi-major axis, and eccentricity.
  • Some participants suggest looking into classical mechanics and astrophysics textbooks for derivations of Kepler's first law.
  • Memocyl expresses difficulty in finding suitable resources and requests specific book recommendations.
  • Another participant provides examples of textbooks that may contain relevant material, such as "Analytical Mechanics" by Fowles and Cassiday, and "Foundations of Astrophysics" by Ryden and Peterson.
  • Links to online resources are shared, suggesting that further information and derivations can be found on Wikipedia and other websites.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for resources to derive Kepler's first law, but no consensus is reached on the specific derivation methods or the sufficiency of the suggested resources.

Contextual Notes

Memocyl's understanding of the equations and their relationships is not confirmed, and there is an indication of uncertainty regarding the derivation process. The discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in proving Kepler's first law.

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Hello friends (I hope :biggrin:),

For a maths project I am working on, I need to be able to prove the equation for an elliptical orbit, related to Kepler's first law:

b115356a043a8d816886221bdd807dfb.png
and p = a(1-e2) (or should be as p can be replaced by that value)

Where:
r = distance from sun to any point on the orbit
p = semi latus rectrum
a = semi-major axis
e = eccentricity
θ = true anomaly (angle between a and r anticlockwise I think)

Can someone please help me to understand where these equations come from and also confirm that I have got my current facts straight?

Regards,
Memocyl
 
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Have you looked in classical mechanics and/or astrophysics books?
 
George Jones said:
Have you looked in classical mechanics and/or astrophysics books?
I haven't been able to come by any at the moment that help me derive the equation itself, which is what I don't understand. However, if you could name me any books that do that would be exceptionally helpful :smile:

Thank you
Memocyl
 
Examples at the level of about second-year university include "Analytical Mechanics" by Fowles and Cassiday, and "Foundations of Astrophysics" by Ryden and Peterson. I haven't looked, but I suspect that derivations of Kepler's first law also can be found on-line. Just Google "Kepler's first law".
 
George Jones said:
Examples at the level of about second-year university include "Analytical Mechanics" by Fowles and Cassiday, and "Foundations of Astrophysics" by Ryden and Peterson. I haven't looked, but I suspect that derivations of Kepler's first law also can be found on-line. Just Google "Kepler's first law".
I have tried online but to no avail unfortunately, apart from it bringing me here actually :biggrin:. Thank you very much though, I shall look for those books as soon as possible.

Regards
Memocyl
 
Memocyl said:
Hello friends (I hope :biggrin:),

For a maths project I am working on, I need to be able to prove the equation for an elliptical orbit, related to Kepler's first law:

b115356a043a8d816886221bdd807dfb.png
and p = a(1-e2) (or should be as p can be replaced by that value)

Where:
r = distance from sun to any point on the orbit
p = semi latus rectrum
a = semi-major axis
e = eccentricity
θ = true anomaly (angle between a and r anticlockwise I think)

Can someone please help me to understand where these equations come from and also confirm that I have got my current facts straight?

Regards,
Memocyl
There's plenty of material online which derives Kepler's laws from different perspectives.

Look at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler's_laws_of_planetary_motion (check out the bibliography at the end of the article)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipse (for details of the equation of the ellipse in polar form)

http://www.grputland.com/2013/12/self-contained-derivation-of-keplers-laws-from-Newtons-laws.html
 

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