End correction of a closed pipe

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The discussion revolves around the end correction of a closed pipe, specifically seeking scientifically approved methods and values for this correction in acoustics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various theoretical analyses, including references to Lord Rayleigh's work. There are attempts to clarify the formula for end correction, with suggestions of different values based on diameter and radius. Questions arise regarding the accuracy and accepted values for these corrections.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the validity of different correction terms and referencing external sources. There is no explicit consensus on a single accepted value, and multiple interpretations of the correction terms are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of a scientifically proven and accepted value for end correction, with various values suggested from different experiments. There is also mention of constraints related to the accuracy required in practical applications, such as organ pipe manufacturing.

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Is there a scientiically approved method for end correction of a closed pipe.

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The formula used is Delta L = (3d) where d = diameter in cm.
 
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Zoro said:
Is there a scientiically approved method for end correction of a closed pipe.

i think there are theoretical analysis of the correction by Rayleigh and others and one will have to go through their work...as people who are manufacturing the organ pipes do take care for the exactness of the frequencies to be excited by the pipes

for example one can see;
Lord Rayleigh, Theory of Sound, Vol II, §314 (Dover, NY, 1945 [1896] ) p.201 ff.
http://www.larrylawson.net/Journal/Pipe1V5N2.pdf
 
Zoro said:
The formula used is Delta L = (3d) where d = diameter in cm.
Check the correction term ;
perhaps it is 0.3 r or 0.6 D where r and D are radius and diameter of the pipe respectively.
 
According to wiki there is not:

There is no scientifically proven and accepted value for the end correction of a resonant tube, various values ranging from 0.3r to 0.6r have been suggested from numerous disparate experiments. Lord Rayleigh was the first experimenter to publish a figure, in 1871: it was 0.3r.

Take from that what you will.
 
drvrm said:
Check the correction term ;
perhaps it is 0.3 r or 0.6 D where r and D are radius and diameter of the pipe respectively.
Did you mean "0.6r or 0.3D"?
 
haruspex said:
Did you mean "0.6r or 0.3D"?
i might have made an error; pl. see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_correction

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is known as end correction, which can be calculated as,

  • for a closed pipe (with one opening):
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,
where
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is the hydraulic radius of the neck and
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is the hydraulic diameter of the neck;

  • and for an open pipe (with two openings):
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.
 
is it 0.3 d where d is in cm or m
 

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