Energy absorbed by solution. Q=mc(theta)

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of energy absorbed by a solution using the equation Q=mcθ. Participants explore the implications of including the volume of sodium chloride in the total volume of the solution and the appropriateness of using specific heat capacity values for the calculation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the volume of 8g of sodium chloride is not included in the total volume calculation, suggesting it should be 48 mL instead of just the volume of water.
  • Another participant clarifies that 8g is a mass, not a volume, but acknowledges that the volume of the mixture would be slightly greater than that of the water alone, implying that the change is negligible.
  • A participant calculates the final volume of the solution as 42.8 mL but notes that this does not provide information about the heat capacity of the solution.
  • Some participants speculate that the assumption of constant volume is intended and that the specific heat capacity provided in the question is relevant to the calculation.
  • There is a discussion about the specific heat capacity of water being used for diluted solutions, with one participant expressing skepticism about the dilution level of 16.6% being significant.
  • A participant shares a personal experience of confusion regarding the total mass used in a similar calculation, highlighting discrepancies among peers in their approaches.
  • Another participant explains that the specific heat capacity of sodium chloride is much lower than that of water, suggesting that the heat required to change the temperature of sodium chloride is less significant, which may justify the approximation used in the book.
  • Concerns are raised about the physical differences in the solution compared to a simple mixture of water and sodium chloride, indicating that the reasoning may not be fully robust.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of including the volume of sodium chloride in calculations, the appropriateness of using specific heat capacity values, and the implications of dilution. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the assumptions regarding volume and specific heat capacity may not fully account for the complexities of the solution's behavior. There is also mention of the need to check density values for accurate volume calculations.

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Please refer to the image.

I know how to get the answer, which is 40 x 4.18 x 1.5 = 250.8 J, but I don't understand why the volume of the 8g of sodium chloride is not taken in as part of the whole volume? Shouldn't the total volume be 40+8 = 48?

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Q=mcθ
 

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8g is not volume. but you are right in that the new volume of the mixture would be very slightly greater than the volume of the water alone. I guess you are meant to assume it is negligible. You could look up the density of sodium chloride, and try to work out how much the volume would change by.
 
Final volume would be 42.8 mL.

Which doesn't help much, as it doesn't tell anything about the solution heat capacity.
 
ah, that's a bigger change in volume than I thought it would be... I am still guessing that (approximately) constant volume is meant to be assumed ? Also, I am guessing that the constant volume heat capacity is given somewhere else in the question, which is why the OP has written down the equation with the constant volume heat capacity in it. But that's a good point, maybe a clue is in exactly what constants the question gives..
 
The question gives the specific heat capacity of the solution as 4.18.
 
4.18 J g-1 K-1 is a specific heat of a pure water. It is OK to use this value for diluted solutions, as long as you are aware of the fact it is only approximate. For me 16.6% doesn't qualify as diluted.
 
So my book is actually misleading. In my class test a few days ago a question wanted us to calculated the heat released when 1g of calcium dissolves in 200g of water. I used 200g as the total mass, and my friends all used 201.

Sad.
 
Borek said:
4.18 J g-1 K-1 is a specific heat of a pure water. It is OK to use this value for diluted solutions, as long as you are aware of the fact it is only approximate. For me 16.6% doesn't qualify as diluted.

Wait, how did you get that 16.6%?

And the 42.8mL?
 
8g and 40 mL of water means 8 g in 48 g, which is 8/48*100%=16.6%.

42.8 mL is slightly more complicated, as it requires checking the solution density in tables. Done using my concentration calculator, see attached screenshot. I have entered mass of the solute (8 g) and total solution mass (Sm = 48). Program checks the density of the 16.66% solution in tables, then uses this density to calculate volume (42.8024 mL).
 

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Ah, I see. Thanks.
 
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hmm. I was thinking about it, and effectively the book's answer gives the amount of heat required to just change the temperature of the water. Therefore, the volume of the water and the specific heat capacity of the water is used. Now this is a good approximation, because the specific heat capacity of the sodium chloride is roughly 5 times less than that of the water. So even though the volume of sodium chloride is significant, its low specific heat capacity (relative to water) means that the heat required to change the temperature of the sodium chloride is much less than the heat required to change the temperature of the water. So they have used the approximation that the total heat is approximately the same as the heat required for just the water.

Now, this doesn't take into consideration that the solution is going to be physically different than just a mixture of the water and sodium chloride. (and in reality, the solution is going to be different). So the argument isn't really water-tight. But I think maybe the last paragraph is the logic that the book has used... But its difficult, and its not easy to see exactly what they want for an answer.
 

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