Energy Conservation: Beta Ray & Neutrino

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conservation of energy in the context of beta decay, specifically addressing the energy of beta rays and neutrinos in relation to the mass of the W boson. Participants explore theoretical implications and the behavior of virtual particles in particle physics.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that the energy of beta rays and neutrinos should equal the mass difference of the nucleus before and after decay, suggesting a value of about 1 MeV, yet questions why this differs from the mass of the W boson, which is stated to be 80 MeV.
  • Another participant explains that the W boson is a virtual particle and is "off shell," indicating it does not need to conform to the energy and momentum constraints of its mass.
  • A further contribution clarifies that energy and momentum are conserved at each vertex of a Feynman diagram, allowing for calculations involving the virtual W boson, but notes that the relationship between energy, momentum, and mass differs for virtual particles compared to real particles.
  • One participant expresses appreciation for the explanation provided, indicating engagement with the technical content.
  • Another participant corrects the mass of the W boson to 80 GeV, suggesting a potential misunderstanding regarding units or values in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present differing views on the implications of energy conservation in the context of virtual particles, with no consensus reached regarding the relationship between the energy of beta decay products and the mass of the W boson.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of mass in relation to virtual particles and potential confusion over the units used (MeV vs GeV).

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Energy of beta ray and neutrino is equal Q=M(mass) of nucleous before-M of nucleous after,so it about 1Mev.But the mass of W boson is 80 MeV,so the least energy of electron and neutrino must be 80 MeV.
Why there is the difference?Why does it seem that energy were not conservation?
 
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The W is a virtual particle. It's "off shell," so it doesn't have to have an energy and momentum that are consistent with its mass.
 
Energy and momentum are both conserved at each vertex of a Feynman diagram, so one can calculate the energy and momentum of the virtual W from the energies and momenta of the outgoing (anti)neutrino and electron. However, because the W is virtual, ##\sqrt{E^2 - (pc)^2}## does not equal the mass of a real W. For a real W, ##\sqrt{E^2 - (pc)^2} = m_W c^2##.

Particle physicists use the jargon that real (virtual) particles are "on (off) the mass shell," referring to the quantity ##\sqrt{E^2 - (pc)^2}##. Or as Ben said, just "on (off) shell" for short.
 
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I can understand your teaching! Thanks very much!
 
Also, the mass of the W is 80 GeV.
 
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