Energy Conservation in Standing Waves: Comparing Displacements and Finding k

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The problem involves analyzing energy conservation in standing waves on a stretched wire, with specific displacement equations provided for two different wave patterns. The task is to compare the energies associated with these waves and determine a proportionality constant.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the nature of energy in the context of standing waves, questioning the time dependence of energy and exploring kinetic and potential energy expressions. There is an attempt to derive energy equations based on wave properties and their implications.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into kinetic energy calculations and the relationship between potential energy and wave displacement. Some participants are seeking clarification on how to compute potential energy over time, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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There are references to the assumptions about wave behavior, such as the cancellation of displacement and the implications for energy calculations. The discussion also touches on the need for approximations in the context of energy conservation.

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Homework Statement


The ends of a stretched wire of length L are fixed at x=0 and x=L. In one experiment, the displacement of the wire is given by ##y=A\sin\left(\frac{\pi x}{L}\right)\sin(\omega t)## and its energy is ##E_1##. In another experiment, the displacement of wire is given by ##y=A\sin\left(\frac{2\pi x}{L}\right)\sin(2\omega t)## and its energy is ##E_2##. If ##E_2=kE_1##, find ##k## (k is a positive integer).

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$$y=A\sin\left(\frac{\pi x}{L}\right)\sin(\omega t)=\frac{A}{2}\left[\cos\left(\frac{\pi x}{L}-\omega t\right)-\cos\left(\frac{\pi x}{L}+\omega t\right)\right]$$

The given wave is formed by two waves traveling in opposite direction with amplitudes ##\frac{A}{2}##. At ##t=0##, the two waves completely cancel out each other. Hence the energy becomes zero. Isnt ##E_1## time dependent?
 
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The waves only cancel each other in the displacement. This means the potential is zero at that moment. They do not cancel in the velocity. In fact, the string has its maximal velocity at that time.

I suggest finding an expression for the kinetic energy of the string and compute it at t=0 when the potential is zero.

No, the energies are not time dependent.
 
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Using ##\text{d}K=\frac{1}{2}(\mu \text{d}x) v_y^2##
$$K=\frac{1}{4}\mu\omega^2A^2L\cos^2\omega t$$

at ##t=0##
$$E_1=\frac{1}{4}\mu\omega^2A^2L$$
$$E_2=\frac{1}{4}\cdot 2\mu\cdot 4\omega^2A^2\frac{L}{2}=4E_1$$
 
@Orodruin how can I compute potential energy as a function of time?
 
You have to compare the length of the string to the rest length. The potential energy is the tension multiplied by this change in length.

To get energy conservation with the waves you will need to use the first order approximation, but that was also used for deriving the wave equation so it is consistent.
 
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