Energy-dependent cross ection and mean free path

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of energy-dependent scattering cross sections and their implications for calculating the mean free path of particles. Participants explore the generalization of existing formulas to account for varying energy levels, particularly in the context of different types of particles and the use of Monte Carlo methods.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the mean free path and its relation to the scattering cross section, questioning the generalization for energy-dependent cross sections σ(E).
  • Another participant notes that the original formula holds for neutrons or photons but emphasizes the need for clarification on the type of particle being discussed.
  • A participant suggests modifying the intensity differential equation to include energy dependence, but expresses uncertainty about formulating the problem due to the relationship between position and energy.
  • One participant doubts the existence of a general solution for the problem, citing their experience with Monte Carlo methods, which do not utilize average energy in specific scenarios.
  • Another participant seeks a set of formulas that can be written down, indicating a desire for a theoretical framework rather than a complete solution.
  • A participant mentions two basic formulas related to transmission through media and particle interactions, noting that these depend on the specific particles and medium involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of generalizing the mean free path and scattering cross section for energy-dependent scenarios. There is no consensus on a general approach or formula, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their discussions, including the dependence on the type of particle and medium, as well as the challenges in formulating a general ansatz for energy-dependent scenarios.

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The mean free path is usually determined via the scattering cross section σ; one starts with a differential equation for the intensity

[tex]dI(x)= -n\,\sigma\,I(x)\,dx[/tex]

Are there generalizations for this derivation for energy-dependent cross sections σ(E)?
 
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You didn't say what particle you are scattering. If it is neutron or photon, then the formula still holds, but only between collisions. This is one area where Monte Carlo method is used.
 
mathman said:
You didn't say what particle you are scattering. If it is neutron or photon, then the formula still holds, but only between collisions. This is one area where Monte Carlo method is used.
I am not looking for a specific problem, but for the general ansatz. First one would have to modify it like

[tex]dI(x)= -n\,\sigma(E)\,I(x)\,dx[/tex]

but then one has to take into account that

[tex]\langle E \rangle = f(x)[/tex]

i.e. a typical particle at x has a typical energy E. I don't see how to formulate that problem. It's clear that one can use Monte Carlo Simulation, but there should be a general ansatz
 
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Since you need Monte Carlo for the specific problems I cited (happens to be an area where I have worked), I doubt if there is something general as you are looking for.

Using Monte Carlo the average energy isn't used.
 
I am only looking for the ansatz, a (small set of) formula(s) I can write down. I don't care about the solution for the moment ;-)

Many problems which you can't solve analytically have a rigorous definition; you can't solve QCD analytically, but you can write down the lattice QCD lagrangian
 
There are two basic formulas. The transmission through media, which follows an exponential law, and the interaction when a particle hits something. The latter is dependent on what particles you are considering and the medium.

I don't have any references handy.
 

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