Energy in Vibrations: 100Kg at 10Hz & 10mm/s

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy associated with vibrating a mass, specifically a 100 kg mass at a frequency of 10 Hz and a speed of 10 mm/s. The context includes practical applications related to vibrations in a ship's structure, particularly in relation to the energy lost during vibrations caused by propeller blade passage.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for help in determining the energy required to vibrate a mass at a specified frequency and speed.
  • Another participant suggests that the energy depends on the nature of the vibration, indicating that if the motion is simple harmonic, the energy could be calculated as kinetic energy at maximum speed.
  • A participant expresses interest in calculating energy related to "5*BPF" in the context of a 100 kg mass.
  • Clarification is sought regarding the system being analyzed, specifically asking about the graph's description.
  • A participant explains that the context is a vibration test on a ship, where vibrations occur due to propeller blade passage, and provides an estimate of mass per area for calculations.
  • There is a suggestion to use the kinetic energy equation to find energy lost in the vibrations.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the validity of the provided numbers but encourages using the kinetic energy equation.
  • One participant mentions finding a formula for energy in a "standing" sinusoidal curve, implying a connection to the discussion.
  • A later reply discusses idealization and comparisons to uniform strings and sound waves, indicating a more complex understanding of the energy involved in the vibrations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the numbers presented or the specific energy calculations. Multiple viewpoints exist regarding the methods and formulas to be used, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the mass and the nature of the vibrations, as well as the dependence on the definitions of terms like "standing wave" and "kinetic energy." The discussion also highlights the complexity of the system being analyzed.

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Hi people can anyone help me? I need to know how much energy it takes to vibrate a mass at a frequency and speed.
How much energy is there in a mass of ex. 100Kg at 10Hz and a speed of 10mm/s ?
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It depends on how the mass is vibrating. If the motion of the mass is simple harmonic and if you're referring to a maximum speed, then the energy should be the kinetic energy of the mass at that speed.
 
Thanks for your answer!
Welllll, I'm trying to work out how much energy there is in ex. "5*BPF" (see the att.). Let's say the mass is 100kg!
Is ti as simple as E(kin)?
 

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What is your graph describing (what is the system)?
 
It is from a vibration test on the aft part of a ship!
BPF=Blade Passing Frequ..
ME=Main Engine
The ship vibrates every time a propeller plade passes and I'm trying to finde the energ which is lost. The mass is imposible to know due to the structure of the ship, but i have a estimate saying 144kg/m2.
How much energy is lost in vibrating 144kg at the shown freq. and speeds?
 
Gear 300, what do you think?
 
I'm not sure your numbers are really valid, but just plug them into the kinetic energy equation.
 
They should be valid, they are from real life! Anyway, I have found the formula for energy in a "standing" sinus curve!
 
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Sorry, I was busy with things, so I forgot what was going on. I'm not really sure what's happening in this case, but if you're referring to the energy lost to the vibration of a ship, then I agree with you on the standing wave solution; though you probably figured that from the beginning. For the energy involved, I would normally leave it to idealization at this point and compare the vibration to that on a uniform string. Longitudinally, you could compare it to a sound wave and take into account the material difference.
 
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