Energy level jump in stimulated emision

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the mechanisms of energy level transitions in stimulated emission, particularly in the context of laser operation and population inversion in a three-level system. Participants explore the conditions under which electrons transition between energy levels and the implications for lasing.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why an electron in a higher energy level (E2) drops to a lower energy level (E1) instead of jumping to an even higher level (E3) when energy is supplied.
  • Another participant clarifies that the energy supplied is not directly to the electron but increases the probability of its decay to E1 by introducing a photon with energy (E2-E1), resulting in two photons if the process occurs.
  • A third participant discusses the necessity of optical pumping to achieve population inversion, which is essential for lasing, and notes that without this process, more atoms will remain in the ground state than in the excited state.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the equations related to the population inversion and requests basic equations to understand the concepts better.
  • A later reply provides differential equations governing the population dynamics of the three-level system, emphasizing the importance of steady-state values and the relationship between pumping rate and population inversion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of population inversion and optical pumping for lasing, but there is some confusion regarding the mathematical formulation and the underlying principles of energy transitions.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific equations and concepts related to population dynamics in a three-level laser system, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the photon flux and its impact on the equations presented.

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when some energy is suplied to an electron in a higher energy level E2 then how come it drops down to a lower energy level E1 but as per our knowlwdge of physics...it should jump to a higher energy level E3.
 
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You're not really supplying energy to the electron in E2, you're increasing it's probability to decay down to E1 by supplying a photon with an energy (E2-E1). You'll then wind up with two photons, each having energy (E2-E1) - if the first photon had been absorbed, you would wind up with no photons and an atom in an excited state E3.
 
Yes you are absolutely correct. Originally there will be more atoms in the ground compared with the excited state. This will not produce "lasing". We will have a laser by using the process known as "optical pumping". Without this energy pump, population inversion will be nearly impossible, hence lasing isn't achieved. Due to this process, we will have population inversion which will give us "lasing". "Population Inversion" occurs when N_2-N_1>0 for a 3-level system. What happened to N_3? We disregard it since the decay rate from N_3 to N_2 is very rapid(wiki it). I recommend that you look at the rate equations for 3-level system in steady state: (N_T = N_1 + N_2 + N_3 = constant)

d/dt(N_T = N_1 + N_2 + N_3) = 0

Using the "steady state" concept, solve for N_2 and N_1 and you should apply this "population inversion" constraint for N_1 AND N_2. Good Luck!
 
the last post left me totally clueless could you give some basic equations which i could solve to obtain the result ?
 
dN3/dt = PN1 - Γ32N3

dN2/dt = Γ32N3 - Γ21N2

dN1/dt = -PN1 + Γ21N2

ΣdNi/dt = 0, i=1,2,3.

Where P:pumping rate and Γ:decay rate.

Goal: To get steady state values for Ni, i=1,2,3 and this is done by setting dNi/dt = 0 , i=1,2,3.

When we get each steady state value, we usually denote it as Nibar, i = 1,2,3.

A good exercise would be to obtain the steady state population inversion:

N2bar - N1bar > 0 , and from here we will get a constraint on the pumping rate.

You will see that that the greater P is w.r.t. the decay rate, the greater the population inversion, and hence the "gain", which will give us "lasing"

Also you can get all of the steady state values in terms of NTbar, using NTbar = ΣNibar; i=1,2,3.

If you need a schematic of this situation, here it is:(under the headline:3-level laser)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_inversion

p.s. I assumed that we have (photon flux)<<1, since it's not included in the 3-level population rate equations.
 

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