Energy Loss in SHM: Piano Wire (262Hz) - Help Needed!

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around energy loss in simple harmonic motion (SHM), specifically focusing on a piano wire vibrating at a frequency of 262Hz. The original poster seeks assistance in understanding how to approach questions related to decay time, Q-factor, and fractional energy loss per cycle based on the energy loss of the string over time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definition of decay time and its relation to energy loss, with some suggesting parallels to radioactive decay. There is an exploration of how to calculate the decay constant and the Q-factor based on the provided information.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the relationships between decay time, energy loss, and the Q-factor, while others express uncertainty about the calculations and seek further clarification. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to connect concepts from different areas of physics.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses confusion specifically about energy loss in SHM, indicating a potential gap in understanding this chapter of their studies. The discussion includes references to specific formulas and concepts that may require further exploration.

capslock
Messages
17
Reaction score
0
When middle C on a piano (frequency = 262Hz) is struck, the vibration of the piano string loses half its energy after 4s.

(i) What is the decay time for the energy?
(ii) What is the Q-factor for this piano wire?
(iii) What is the fractional energy loss per cycle?

SHM has been going great until this chapter on energy loss. I'm totally lossed. I'd really appreciate if someone could explain how to attempt these questions.

Best Regards, Jonathan.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Decay time is usally defined as the time taken for a value to fall to \frac{1}{e} times the original value.
 
Last edited:
But how do I use the information given to calculate it?

Best Regards, Jonathan.
 
i'm not sure of this ... but
i think we can do this problem like radioactivity problems...
for the first part
given that half-life = 4s. Now calculate deacy constant which is ln2/(half-life period)...

The decay constant is defined as inverse of time taken to decay to 1/e times the original... so the your answer should be (half-life)/ln2 ...

I'm not sure ... i think you better wait for some more replies :rolleyes:
 
physicsprasanna is right, you use the same process as nuclear physics, but instead you use energy instead of number of radioactive isotopes.
T_{\frac{1}{2}} = \frac{\ln 2}{k}
Then you can work out k which allows you to calculate E_0 and form an equation. Well that's how I understand in anyway.
 
capslock said:
When middle C on a piano (frequency = 262Hz) is struck, the vibration of the piano string loses half its energy after 4s.

(i) What is the decay time for the energy?
(ii) What is the Q-factor for this piano wire?
(iii) What is the fractional energy loss per cycle?

SHM has been going great until this chapter on energy loss. I'm totally lossed. I'd really appreciate if someone could explain how to attempt these questions.

Best Regards, Jonathan.

The energy in a damped oscillator goes as:
E(t)=E_0e^{-t/ \tau}
Where tau is the "decay constant." This is the time it takes for the energy to be reduced by a factor of 1/e, as stated above. So we know that
E(4)=(1/2)E_0=E_0e^{-4/ \tau}.
From this we can find a value for tau.

Next, the "quality factor," or "Q factor," is given by:
Q=\omega_0 \tau
Where \omega_0 is the initial angular frequency (NOT frequency!) of the motion.

The fractional energy loss per cycle is defined as:
\left ( \frac{\Delta E}{E_0} \right )_{cycle} = \frac{E(T)-E_0}{E_0}
It turns out this is inversely proportional to Q, but as you can calculate it without the Q value, I leave finding that relation to you.

-Dan
 
Many thanks.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
28
Views
3K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
4K
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
6K
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
11K