Energy released from heavy atoms?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanisms of energy release in nuclear fission and fusion, particularly focusing on heavy atoms. Participants express confusion about how small particles can generate significant energy bursts and question the implications for thermodynamics and conservation of energy.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that both nuclear fission and fusion release large amounts of energy, questioning how this is possible given the small size of the atoms involved.
  • Another participant suggests that the energy release is related to the binding energy per nucleon and discusses the process of pulling atoms apart and then allowing them to combine into a new nucleus, implying that heavy nuclei release significant energy.
  • A participant distinguishes between fission and fusion, explaining that fission involves splitting a large nucleus while fusion involves combining smaller nuclei, both resulting in energy liberation.
  • One participant references Einstein's equation E=mc², suggesting it explains the conversion of mass to energy in nuclear reactions, which seems to challenge the conservation of mass.
  • Another participant recommends using external resources like Wikipedia for further understanding of nuclear fission and fusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding and confusion regarding the concepts of nuclear fission and fusion. While some provide explanations, there is no consensus on the implications for thermodynamics or the conservation of energy, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate a lack of clarity regarding the input energy required for nuclear reactions and the implications for established physical laws, highlighting potential limitations in their understanding.

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Hallo!

Now I've noticed something about nuclear fission and fusion. They both are small atoms that release megawatts of energy that could destroy most of big cities. Now I wonder how is that possibile? Splitting an atom create MAJOR amounts of heat and energy combined what is the reason for that? The only thing that comes from my head is the force that is holding the protons and neutrons together is smashed with another atom.

Im talking about heavy atoms not the simple ones because in every single second atom collided with each other.

I'm confused on how a small small particle create a HUGE energy burst that puzzels me honestly.

I feel sometimes they don't follow the laws of thermodynamics nor conservation of energy but I don't know what the input energy is in the first place to compare lol.
 
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Hypo said:
Hallo!

Now I've noticed something about nuclear fission and fusion. They both are small atoms that release megawatts of energy that could destroy most of big cities. Now I wonder how is that possibile? Splitting an atom create MAJOR amounts of heat and energy combined what is the reason for that? The only thing that comes from my head is the force that is holding the protons and neutrons together is smashed with another atom.

Im talking about heavy atoms not the simple ones because in every single second atom collided with each other.

I'm confused on how a small small particle create a HUGE energy burst that puzzels me honestly.

I feel sometimes they don't follow the laws of thermodynamics nor conservation of energy but I don't know what the input energy is in the first place to compare lol.
Have you read the topic binding energy per nucleon or something like this?...
if yes then think this in such a way..
You first pull all atoms apart by applying some force. then let them to combine and make a new nucleus.. in case of heavy nucleus you will find the a lot of energy is released..
law of conservation of energy is not valid in such cases(E=mc2)..
 
Hypo, There is a big difference between nuclear fission and nuclear fusion...the two processes you mention.

Fission is the splitting of a "large" nucleus into two "smaller" ones, plus the liberation of energy. Example: Atomic bomb over Hiroshima, Japan.

Fusion is the "fusing" of two hydrogen nuclei together to create one helium nucleus, plus the liberation of energy. Example: Our sun.

Both processes give off great quantities of "atomic energy", in contrast to "chemical energy" we get from, say, dynamite. To understand where this energy comes from you need to learn some nuclear phycics!

Google is your friend, please Google those terms and learn to use this valuable resource for your own education. Wikipedia usually gives good "starting point" explanations. Don't forget to check the "for further reading" and the "references" near the bottom of Wiki pages for more details.
 
Wikipedias articles on nuclear fission and fusion will explain this pretty well. And you can follow the other links around to learn more.
 
This is actually where Einstein's famous E=mc^2 equation came from. For the longest time, physicists were puzzled because nuclear fission reactions seemed to slightly violate the law of conservation of mass. If this small amount of destroyed matter is converted to energy with the above equation, this ends up being equal to the energy generated by the fission process, leading to the modified conservation of mass-energy law (they are equivalent to one another according to (E^2) = (m^2) (c^4) + (p^2) (c^2).)
 

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