Energy required to evaporate given mass of water

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the energy required to evaporate a specific mass of water, particularly focusing on the assumptions and equations involved in the process. Participants explore the implications of temperature, heat capacity, and the heat of vaporization in the context of both theoretical and practical considerations.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the equation E=m ΔT C_p for calculating energy, questioning the appropriate temperature for ΔT.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of heat of vaporization, suggesting it may be more relevant than considering the energy to heat water to boiling point.
  • Some participants argue that the heat of vaporization is temperature-dependent, indicating the need for an average ocean surface temperature.
  • There is a suggestion that it might be acceptable to use the boiling point value for heat of vaporization, acknowledging potential inaccuracies.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to consider both the energy to heat water to boiling and the energy for vaporization, while another challenges the necessity of heating to boiling.
  • Discussion includes a metaphor involving poodles drying out to illustrate evaporation at ambient temperatures versus boiling conditions.
  • Concerns are raised about the assumptions made when using boiling water values for evaporation calculations, particularly regarding intermolecular forces.
  • A later reply suggests that tables of vaporization heat values could provide necessary data without assumptions about temperature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether to include the energy required to heat water to boiling in their calculations. There is no consensus on the best approach, and multiple competing perspectives remain regarding the assumptions about temperature and the application of heat of vaporization.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the heat of vaporization varies with temperature, and the discussion reflects uncertainty about the average temperature of ocean water and its impact on calculations. There are also unresolved questions about the accuracy of using boiling point values for evaporation energy.

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Homework Statement



Calculate how much energy is required to evaporate 3.6x10^14kg of water.

(Original question is that if the oceans cover about 70% of the Earth's surface and an average of 1m evaporates per year, find the the energy required to evaporate the calculated amount of water (given radius: 6400km).)

Homework Equations


The assumption is that the evaporation is a simple function of heat.

The Attempt at a Solution


By dimensional analysis, I came up with:
E=m \delta T C_p
where E is the energy required, m is the mass, ΔT is the change in temperature and C is the heat capacity of water.

But I'm not sure if I'm supposed to assume that water evaporates at 100°C. A quick search showed that water evaporates at all temperatures greater than 0°C and there are a bunch of other factors like pressure and such. It's more involved than what I have but we haven't gone into all that yet and I don't think we will for this course.

So is the equation correct and if so, what should I be using for ΔT as I'm not given the average temperature of the oceans.
 
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Have you heard about heat of vaporization?
 
Yes, it's defined on my sheet as 'the amount of energy in joules required to transform one gram of liquid water into water vapor at the boiling point of water'..

So should I be just looking at this energy rather than include the energy required to bring the surface of the water up to the boiling point?
 
Yes.

The question is slightly ambiguous, as heat of vaporization is a function of temperature, so you will need to assume some average temperature of the ocean surface. Or you can completely ignore it and use the value listed for boiling water (you will be off by about 10%). It all depends on how accurate you are expected to be.
 
You need to add two amounts of energy together. First, the amount of energy required to bring that amount of water to boiling point (which is mass x heat capacity x required change in temperature), second the amount of energy required to turn that much liquid water at boiling point to gas (ie stream) which is the latent heat of evaporation x mass
 
robphippen said:
You need to add two amounts of energy together. First, the amount of energy required to bring that amount of water to boiling point (which is mass x heat capacity x required change in temperature), second the amount of energy required to turn that much liquid water at boiling point to gas (ie stream) which is the latent heat of evaporation x mass

As OP already mentioned, you DON'T need to heat up the water to the boiling point.

Have you ever seen poodles drying out? Do you think they boiled out, or did they evaporate at the ambient temperature (whatever it happens to be)?

Or, if the poodles don't work for you, leave an open glass of water in your room, and report back in a month. Is there water in the glass? Have it boiled out?
 
Damp poodles and vaporizing oceans...

OK, very good point.

In fact this just makes the whole thing rather more interesting.

Of course the reason why my poodle dries out is because the air around is is not saturated with water vapor. If it was, then my poor poodle would not dry out.

Applying this to the ocean: if we start to heat up the ocean, we'd initially see more evaporation, but I think its fair to say that this would result in rather a large amount of water vapor entering the atmosphere, and so we would see the air get saturated with water vapor (at a molecular level, this means that the rate at which water molecules evaporate from the liquid water to become gas is exactly balanced by the rate at which water molecules leave that vapor (gaseous) state and become liquid water). If we heat up both the water AND the air above the water, then it will hold more water vapour, but at some point we get to thermal equilibrium (at this point I think my poodle and is getting distressed) and no more water will evaporate.

However, despite all of this, I think we can indeed say that the total energy required is 'just' the latent heat required.
 
You should not mistreat your poodle by waiting for him to dry out.

On the other hand, if you have a puddle,it is OK if it dries out on its own.
 
Oops. Or perhaps uups.
 
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Borek said:
Yes.

The question is slightly ambiguous, as heat of vaporization is a function of temperature, so you will need to assume some average temperature of the ocean surface. Or you can completely ignore it and use the value listed for boiling water (you will be off by about 10%). It all depends on how accurate you are expected to be.

So would it then just be ~2.3kJ/g multiplied by the mass evaporated?

If so, does this assume that the forces on the water molecules at the surface is equal to the intermolecular forces on water molecules when they're boiling...which is why they require the same energy to evaporate? :confused:
 
  • #11
There is no need to assume anything, you should be able to google tables of values of vaporization heat (or vaporization enthalpy) for any temperature.
 
  • #12
What if I don't take an average temperature for the ocean and use the value listed for boiling water? Wouldn't this assume that the water at the surface is 'behaving' like boiled water which is why 1 gram is evaporating for every 2.3kJ or fenergy absorbed?
 

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