Energy Saving Devices: Expert Advice Needed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the efficacy and legitimacy of energy saving devices that claim to reduce electric consumption. Participants explore various claims regarding these devices, including their operational mechanisms and potential impacts on household appliances.

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  • Debate/contested
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experiment where an energy saving device appeared to stop the rotation of an electric meter's disc while a blower continued to operate, raising questions about the device's functionality.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism, suggesting that the device might be a form of theft or manipulation, and questions the nature of the blower's operation in relation to the meter.
  • A different viewpoint is presented regarding power-factor correction circuits for induction motors, which some participants believe can effectively reduce energy consumption under certain conditions, though this may not apply universally to all appliances.
  • Concerns are raised about the legality and ethical implications of certain practices related to energy saving devices, with reminders about the forum's policies on discussing illegal activities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness or legitimacy of energy saving devices. Multiple competing views are presented, with some advocating for specific technical solutions while others remain skeptical about the claims made by manufacturers.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential limitations of their claims, including the dependency on specific appliance types and the lack of comprehensive testing of the devices in question. There is also an acknowledgment of the need for further experimentation to validate the effectiveness of proposed solutions.

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Dear Experts,

I would like to solicit your comments about energy saving devices (electric consumption reducer) which is being advertised in malls, streets, tv, etc.

Here’s my story:

Recently I’ve attended a Science Fair Competition and there’s a man claiming that the device he made can save electric energy consumption. The instruments he showed to us are power source (ac), home electric meter (dial type), a blower, and, the claimed energy saving device. At first, he connects the blower into the electric meter which is connected to a power source. The disc of the electric meter rotates at constant speed (I think about 4 sec/turn). But when he plugged the blower to his energy saving device, the disc rotation suddenly slowed down and at a certain time, it stops! The blower still operates at good. He just showed us what’s inside the energy saving device and it’s composed of an IC circuit, capacitors, diodes, etc.

My questions are:

1. Is it true that there are certain device can stop the rotation of the disc?
2. Are all these energy saving device truly saves your electric energy consumption? and
3. Is there no harmful effects in your appliances, etc.?
 
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Sounds like theft to me. That's assuming it actually works. I guess liquid nitrogen or dry ice could gum up the works of a rotating disc meter. I wonder what this "blower" was supposed to be blowing into the meter.
 
The only household "energy saving" circuit I have ever seen that worked is a power-factor corrector circuit for induction motors (like in refrigerator). A lightly-loaded induction motor has a low power factor. The power factor can be increased by reducing the motor ac voltage using a triac. When the reactive current is reduced by reducing the ac voltage, the I2R losses in the motor windings are reduced, with only a small reduction in RPM. I built one, and determined that after a few seconds, the refrigerator ac voltage dropped from 120 volts to ~90 volts (on a 1966 vintage refrigerator). If the power factor was increased more, the motor began to draw more current. (This might not work on new refrigerators with microprocessors).

A good lab (or home) experiment is to plug a 1/4-HP induction motor (with no load) into a Variac, and find the voltage that minimizes the wall-plug real power.

Bob S
 
One of the things that I learned in college, is << illegal activity info deleted by berkeman >>
 
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One of the things that I learned in college, is << illegal activity info deleted by berkeman >>

Let's all remember that illegal activities are not discussed here on the PF.
 

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