Entropy of a chemical reaction

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The discussion revolves around the entropy change associated with chemical reactions, specifically comparing the entropy change of the surroundings to that of the system in exothermic and endothermic processes.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between entropy changes of the system and surroundings, referencing relevant equations and concepts such as ΔG and ΔH. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the magnitude of entropy changes in different types of reactions.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering formulas and reasoning related to the entropy changes. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between heat transfer and entropy change, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct interpretation or answer yet.

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The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to proceed, indicating a need for clarification on the concepts involved. The discussion includes various interpretations of the question and the implications of different types of reactions.

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Homework Statement


The entropy change of surrounding is greater than that of the system in a/an
(A) exothermic process
(B) endothermic process
(C) both (A) and (B) are correct
(D) none of these are correct

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ΔStot = ΔSsys + ΔSsurr
For a spontaneous process, ΔStot > 0
For an exothermic process, ΔH < 0 and for an endothermic process ΔH > 0
I don't really know what to do now. Please help.
 
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Try looking up a formula that relates ##\Delta S_{surr}## to ##\Delta H##. Remember that for chemical reactions performed at constant pressure, the change in enthalpy tells you the amount of heat transferred between the system and surroundings.
 
ΔG = ∆Hsys-T∆Ssys
At equilibrium ∆G = 0
So ∆Ssys = ∆Hsys/T
For exothermic reactions, ∆Hsys < 0 so ∆Ssys < 0
For ∆Ssys + ∆Ssurr > 0
∆Ssurr > 0
Since a positive number is always greater than a negative number, ∆Ssurr > ∆Ssys
So A is correct.
For endothermic reactions, ∆Ssys > 0 as ∆Hsys > 0
Now for ∆Ssys + ∆Ssurr > 0
We can have ∆Ssurr as
1. positive and larger than system entropy
2. Positive and smaller than system entropy
3. Negative but smaller in magnitude than system entropy.

So which of these would be appropriate?
 
erisedk said:
Since a positive number is always greater than a negative number, ∆Ssurr > ∆Ssys
The question asks which entropy change is the greater. I would interpret that in terms of magnitude.
 
A useful formula here is to remember that the entropy change of the surroundings depends on the amount of heat transferred to/from the system: ## \Delta S_{surr} = - \Delta H/T##

With this in mind (and the fact that for any spontaneous process ##\Delta G < 0##), how do the magnitudes of ##\Delta S_{sys}## and ##\Delta S_{surr}## compare in the two cases?
 

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