Entry Level Engineering Jobs at Top Defense Companies: GPA vs School Reputation

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The discussion centers around the prospects of securing entry-level engineering positions at major defense companies such as Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, and Northrop Grumman, particularly in relation to the influence of GPA and school reputation. Participants explore the implications of educational background and practical experience on job opportunities in the defense sector.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about whether attending Cal State Fullerton will hinder job prospects at top defense companies, questioning the balance between school reputation and GPA.
  • Another participant suggests that while school name may have some importance, GPA and practical experience, such as involvement in design teams or research, are more critical for job applications.
  • A participant references a Quora article to support the idea that experience outside the classroom is essential for building a strong resume.
  • There is a disagreement regarding the classification of the companies mentioned; one participant insists they are DoD contractors, while another argues they are not DoD jobs and highlight differences in employment status and pay scales.
  • A government employee shares insights about the working conditions at these companies, noting potential issues with overtime pay and legal protections under labor laws.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of school reputation versus GPA and experience. There is also a disagreement about the classification of the companies as DoD contractors, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding job classifications, pay scales, and the nature of employment with defense contractors, which may not be fully explored or clarified in the discussion.

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hello all, i am currently an electrical engineer at cal state fullerton and have an overall gpa of 3.5 currently a sophmore. I was wondering if anyone knows how difficult it would be to get a job as an entry level engineer at say Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheedmartin, northrop grumman. these companies are my dream job and i was wondering if going to cal state fullerton will only hinder me in getting a job at one of these companies. I am pretty sure the name of your school has some weight but will my gpa offset that? thanks
 
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I could be wrong on this but the places you listed are not DoD. DoD jobs would be typically at naval research places and such. While the places you listed are funded mostly by the government I believe you would still be a private employee without the (GSI? pay scale).

You might want to look into it, the smart scholar ship is a pretty good gig. make some money in college with guaranteed internships and then a job at the end. You can get it for grad school as well.
 
benEE2018 said:
hello all, i am currently an electrical engineer at cal state fullerton and have an overall gpa of 3.5 currently a sophmore. I was wondering if anyone knows how difficult it would be to get a job as an entry level engineer at say Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheedmartin, northrop grumman. these companies are my dream job and i was wondering if going to cal state fullerton will only hinder me in getting a job at one of these companies. I am pretty sure the name of your school has some weight but will my gpa offset that? thanks

You might want to give this a read, wish I'd gotten this advice earlier in my career:

http://www.quora.com/Can-I-get-a-job-at-SpaceX-after-graduating-from-a-low-ranked-engineering-program

Basically your school name might matter, but it's going to matter a lot less than your GPA and that's going to matter a lot less than your out of the class room experience. Get on design teams at your school or do research with one or more professors at your school and build a documented portfolio of projects you've built and you'll have a great resume to give to employers like the big boys you've mentioned. Oh, and the Kracken is off base, all of those companies are DoD contractors, so there's a good chance you'll be working on DoD systems while working at Boeing, Lockheed, Raytheon, or Northrop.
 
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clope023 said:
You might want to give this a read, wish I'd gotten this advice earlier in my career:

http://www.quora.com/Can-I-get-a-job-at-SpaceX-after-graduating-from-a-low-ranked-engineering-program

Basically your school name might matter, but it's going to matter a lot less than your GPA and that's going to matter a lot less than your out of the class room experience. Get on design teams at your school or do research with one or more professors at your school and build a documented portfolio of projects you've built and you'll have a great resume to give to employers like the big boys you've mentioned. Oh, and the Kracken is off base, all of those companies are DoD contractors, so there's a good chance you'll be working on DoD systems while working at Boeing, Lockheed, Raytheon, or Northrop.

I am not off base. I stated they were contracted. But they are not DoD jobs. Those use a different pay scale and you would be a government employee.
 
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I'm a government employee (GS level) who evaluates the cost and technical aspects of proposals submitted by companies like Raytheon, Lockheed, etc, so I have to cation, that if you want to work for these companies, know that you may not get overtime pay, unless it's a certain amount over. I can't remember the figure, other than that being some outlandish amount (like 50). So basically if you work for these companies, and you do overtime, you may be working for free, but only up to up to a certain amount of hours.

Also these companies, from what I read in the contracts, are always exempt from The Fair Labor Standards Act, which means you cannot legally file a compliant if you work more than 40 hours a week.
 

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