Equation of Circle in Standard Form

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The discussion revolves around determining the equation of a circle that passes through a specific point and has its center as the midpoint of the line segment joining the centers of two given circles. The focus includes the process of finding the centers of the circles, using the midpoint formula, and writing the equation in standard form.

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  • Some participants suggest that completing the square is necessary to find the centers of the two given circles.
  • Others confirm that the midpoint formula should be used after determining the centers of the circles.
  • There is a proposal to find the radius by calculating the distance from the center of the new circle to the given point on the circle.
  • One participant expresses a desire for step-by-step instructions for solving similar problems in the future.
  • Another participant shares their confidence in their math skills and aspirations to master higher-level mathematics.
  • A participant provides a detailed calculation process for finding the centers, midpoint, radius, and the final equation, asking for validation of their work.

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Participants generally agree on the steps involved in finding the equation of the circle, but there is no consensus on the necessity of providing complete step-by-step instructions for each problem.

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Some participants express varying levels of confidence in their mathematical abilities, and there is mention of differing levels of mathematical knowledge among peers.

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This discussion may be useful for students learning about the equations of circles, those seeking to improve their problem-solving skills in mathematics, and individuals interested in tutoring or teaching math concepts.

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Determine the equation of the circle that passes through the point (-4, 1) and its center is the midpoint of the line segment joining the centers of the two circles given below:

x^2 + y^2 -6x - 4y + 12 = 0

and

x^2 + y^2 - 14x + 47 = 0.

Write the equation in standard form.

1. Does the question involve completing the square on the two circles given?

2. After finding the center for both circles in the form
(h, k), must I use the midpoint formula?

3. What other hints can you give to guide me through this question?
 
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RTCNTC said:
Determine the equation of the circle that passes through the point (-4, 1) and its center is the midpoint of the line segment joining the centers of the two circles given below:

x^2 + y^2 - 4y + 12 = 0

and

x^2 + y^2 - 14x + 47 = 0.

Write the equation in standard form.

1. Does the question involve completing the square on the two circles given?

Yes, standard form is:

$$(x-h)^2+(y-k)^2=r^2$$

where the center is the point $(h,k)$ and the radius is $r$.

RTCNTC said:
2. After finding the center for both circles in the form
(h, k), must I use the midpoint formula?

Yes, once you determine the centers of the two given circles, then the midpoint of the line segment joining those two center points will be the center of the circle you are asked to find.

RTCNTC said:
3. What other hints can you give to guide me through this question?

Once you have determine the center of the circle, then you want to find the distance from the center to the given point said to be on the circle, and that is your radius. Once you have the radius, along with the previously found center, you have all you need to write the equation. :)
 
MarkFL said:
Yes, standard form is:

$$(x-h)^2+(y-k)^2=r^2$$

where the center is the point $(h,k)$ and the radius is $r$.
Yes, once you determine the centers of the two given circles, then the midpoint of the line segment joining those two center points will be the center of the circle you are asked to find.
Once you have determine the center of the circle, then you want to find the distance from the center to the given point said to be on the circle, and that is your radius. Once you have the radius, along with the previously found center, you have all you need to write the equation. :)

Cool. I want to ask you for a math favor. As I post problems almost everyday, can you provide the steps needed to solve each problem? For example, step 1 do this, step 2 do that, etc. This will allow me to find the answer on my own.

This is also good practice in terms of following directions or instructions. Lastly for today, I have 5 personal questions unrelated to mathematics to ask you. Is this ok?

I can PM all 5 questions later today. I really would like your opinion. You do have to rush to answer my personal questions. I just want to know what you think. One of the questions involves the Navy. Look for my PM questions later today.

P. S. I will answer this question concerning two circles tomorrow. I am off tomorrow. Trust me, you are not wasting your time with me. I follow your instructions as I try to increase my math solving skills. In fact, I have learned so much from your replies since joining the MHB.
 
RTCNTC said:
Cool. I want to ask you for a math favor. As I post problems almost everyday, can you provide the steps needed to solve each problem? For example, step 1 do this, step 2 do that, etc. This will allow me to find the answer on my own.

Providing complete step by step instructions for completing a problem generally isn't necessary unless the OP has no idea how to begin the problem...and even then it would really depend on the situation. That could be a great deal of work to do as standard practice. I would rather hear from the OP what they think the steps should be, and then I can offer any advice based on that.

RTCNTC said:
This is also good practice in terms of following directions or instructions. Lastly for today, I have 5 personal questions unrelated to mathematics to ask you. Is this ok?

That's fine. I can't guarantee I will have an opinion on every question though. There are some things that I just am not informed enough to have an opinion worth sharing. :)

RTCNTC said:
...I have learned so much from your replies since joining the MHB.

That's always nice to hear! (Yes)
 
MarkFL said:
Providing complete step by step instructions for completing a problem generally isn't necessary unless the OP has no idea how to begin the problem...and even then it would really depend on the situation. That could be a great deal of work to do as standard practice. I would rather hear from the OP what they think the steps should be, and then I can offer any advice based on that.
That's fine. I can't guarantee I will have an opinion on every question though. There are some things that I just am not informed enough to have an opinion worth sharing. :)
That's always nice to hear! (Yes)

Although I ask for guidance almost everyday, I know more math than most people in my circle of friends. Most NYC high school graduates do not know the difference between a linear equation and quadratic equation. Most people fear fractions and percents. I feel confident enough to work as a math tutor for grades 1 to 10. This is an accomplishment. One day, I will know precalculus, calculus 1-3 as easily as drinking water. This will take some time but surely doable.
 
MarkFL said:
Providing complete step by step instructions for completing a problem generally isn't necessary unless the OP has no idea how to begin the problem...and even then it would really depend on the situation. That could be a great deal of work to do as standard practice. I would rather hear from the OP what they think the steps should be, and then I can offer any advice based on that.
That's fine. I can't guarantee I will have an opinion on every question though. There are some things that I just am not informed enough to have an opinion worth sharing. :)
That's always nice to hear! (Yes)

Check your PM.
 
I am not going to type the entire calculation. This will take a long time.

1. After completing the square for x^2 - 6x + y^2 - 4y + 12 = 0, I found the center to be (3, 2).

2. After completing the square for x^2 + y^2 - 14x + 47 = 0, I found the center to be (7, 0).

3. I then found the midpoint of the two center points above to be (5, 1).

4. I now need the radius.

r = sqrt{(-4-5)^2 + (1-1)^2}

r = sqrt{(-9)^2 + (0)^2}

r = sqrt{81}

r = 9

5. I now plug the center point (5, 1) and radius 9 into the standard form equation.

(x - 5)^2 + (y - 1)^2 = 81

Is this correct?
 

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