Equation of family of circles

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The discussion revolves around the equation of a family of circles that touch a given circle and a line, specifically exploring the implications of using a degenerate circle (radius zero) and the mathematical validity of combining circle and line equations. Participants examine the context and meaning of the equations presented in a textbook, questioning their interpretations and applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using the equation ##S+\lambda L=0## to find the family of circles touching line L at point P(p,q), suggesting that S can be a circle of radius zero centered at P.
  • Others express confusion about the meaning of adding a circle and a multiple of a line, questioning the mathematical validity of the equation and seeking additional context.
  • One participant references a textbook to support the claim that the equation of any curve passing through the intersection points of a curve S and line L is ##S+kL=0##, asserting that this is a valid approach.
  • Some participants clarify that the equation is intended to specify a family of circles that all touch a specific point, but others challenge the notion that an equation can "pass through points" in a geometric sense.
  • A later reply introduces a simplifying assumption about the line being vertical and discusses the implications for the center and radius of the circle, noting that if the radius is zero, it results in a degenerate circle at point (p, q).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the interpretation and validity of the equations presented. Multiple competing views remain regarding the mathematical meaning of combining circle and line equations, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of the notation used in the equations, as well as assumptions about the geometric context that are not explicitly stated. The discussion highlights the potential for confusion when combining different types of geometric objects in equations.

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In my textbook, its given that the equation of family of circles touching a given circle S and line L is ##S+\lambda L=0##
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So to find the equation of family of circles touching line L at point P(p,q), can i use the same equation taking S to be a circle of radius zero and center at P?
That is, if L is ax+by+c=0 and P is (p,q), then S will be ##(x-p)^2+(y-q)^2=0## and the equation of family of circles will be ##(x-p)^2+(y-q)^2+\lambda (ax+by+c)=0##. Is this correct? such a circle passes through P.
 
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AdityaDev said:
In my textbook, its given that the equation of family of circles touching a given circle S and line L is ##S+\lambda L=0##
As it stands, this equation doesn't make sense to me. I don't know what it means to add a circle and a multple of a line, let alone how they could add to zero. Is there some context here that you aren't showing?
AdityaDev said:
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So to find the equation of family of circles touching line L at point P(p,q), can i use the same equation taking S to be a circle of radius zero and center at P?
That is, if L is ax+by+c=0 and P is (p,q), then S will be ##(x-p)^2+(y-q)^2=0## and the equation of family of circles will be ##(x-p)^2+(y-q)^2+\lambda (ax+by+c)=0##. Is this correct? such a circle passes through P.
Your image doesn't show any coordinate system, but your equations here assume that there is one. Is the line vertical? If so, its equation will be x = k for some constant k.

If the radius of your circle is 0 and its center is at (p, q), this is a degenerate circle (a single point). Note that if ##(x-p)^2+(y-q)^2=0##, then the only solution is x = p, y = q.

I don't understand where this equation comes from: ##(x-p)^2+(y-q)^2+\lambda (ax+by+c)=0##.
 
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Mark44 said:
As it stands, this equation doesn't make sense to me. I don't know what it means to add a circle and a multple of a line, let alone how they could add to zero. Is there some context here that you aren't showing?

Your image doesn't show any coordinate system, but your equations here assume that there is one. Is the line vertical? If so, its equation will be x = k for some constant k.
I have gone through coordinate geometry by S.L.Loney and I found the same thing.
The equation of any curve passing through the points of intersection of a given curve S and line L is S+kL=0.
This equation is correct because the resultant equation passes through the two points of intersection.
Similarly, the equation of a circle passing through the angular points of a quadrilateral whose side equations are ##L_1,L_2,L_3,L_4## is given by
##L_1L_2+\lambda L_3L_4=0##
Lambda is a parameter. Its not a vertical line. Its just a rough diagram.
Yes. They add to zero when you substitute the point of contact of the given circle and the line. This is how the family of circles is specified. They all have to touch that point.
 
AdityaDev said:
I have gone through coordinate geometry by S.L.Loney and I found the same thing.
The equation of any curve passing through the points of intersection of a given curve S and line L is S+kL=0.
As a guess, this equation is some notation whose meaning is not obvious to someone without the book you cited. It is no mathematically meaningful to "add" a circle and a multiple of a line.
AdityaDev said:
This equation is correct because the resultant equation passes through the two points of intersection.
An equation doesn't pass through points -- it is not a geometric object. A given point can satisfy an equation (i.e., make the equation a true statement).
AdityaDev said:
Similarly, the equation of a circle passing through the angular points of a quadrilateral whose side equations are ##L_1,L_2,L_3,L_4## is given by
##L_1L_2+\lambda L_3L_4=0##
Lambda is a parameter. Its not a vertical line. Its just a rough diagram.
Again, I don't see how this makes sense, unless it is notation that is not to be taken literally. If, as you say, L1 is an equation, then it's not something that can be used in an arithmetic expression.

Here's an example.
Let E1 be the equation 2x + 3y = 5
Let E2 be the equation x2y = 1
How is E1E2 meaningful? We would have (2x + 3y = 5)(x2y + 3y = 1). I have never seen any mathematics text talk about multiplying one equation by another.
AdityaDev said:
Yes. They add to zero when you substitute the point of contact of the given circle and the line. This is how the family of circles is specified. They all have to touch that point.
To get back to what you originally asked about, let me make a simplifying assumption; namely, that line L is vertical, and its equation is x = p. If C is any circle that touches the point (p, q) and whose radius is r, then its center must be at (p + r, q). The center of the circle has to be on a horizontal line that intersections the vertical line at (p, q).

The equation of the circle would be ##(x - (p + r))^2 + (y - q)^2 = r^2##. Note that if r = 0, this equation simplifies to ##(x - p)^2 + (y - q)^2 = 0##, and we get only the point (p, q). Also, if we allow r to be negative, we get circles on the other side of the vertical line. In this case, we would take the radius of the circle to be |r|.
 
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