Equation of motion from given 2D Potential

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a particle of mass m moving in two dimensions under a specified potential energy function, V(##\vec{r}##) = ½ k (x² + 4y²). The task is to determine the resulting motion given certain initial conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand how to derive the force from the potential energy function, expressing concern about the complexity of using variables x and y instead of a single variable r. They explore using polar coordinates but question the appropriateness of taking the derivative in that context.
  • Some participants suggest using the gradient operator to find the force, emphasizing the relationship between force and potential energy.
  • Another participant confirms the force expression derived from the potential and discusses the relationship between acceleration and the components of the force.

Discussion Status

The discussion is actively exploring the correct application of vector calculus to derive the equations of motion from the potential energy function. Participants are providing clarifications and confirming approaches, with some initial expressions for motion being shared.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on understanding the transition from potential energy in Cartesian coordinates to the corresponding force and motion equations, with initial conditions provided for the particle's motion.

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Homework Statement


A particle of mass m moves in two dimensions under the following potential energy
function:
V(##\vec{r}##) = ½ k (x2 + 4y2)

Find the resulting motion, given the initial condition at t=0:
x = a, y = 0, x' = 0, y' = vo

Homework Equations


F = ma = -dV/dr

The Attempt at a Solution


This will obviously involve a 2nd order diff eq, and there are enough initial conditions to solve for the unknown constants. If the potential were given with the r variable instead of x and y, it would be simpler. As such, I'm not sure how to take dV/dr when V is V(x,y) not V(r)...

If I use x = r Cosθ, y = r Sinθ, I can put it as:
V(##\vec{r}##) = (3/2) k r2 Sin2θ

But now that I have θ in the formula, is it ok to take dV/dr as such and set it in F = -dV/dr?
 
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You are doing it the wrong way, there are vector involved and ##\frac{d}{d \vec r} = \nabla ## and everyone already says it: force is the gradient of the potential, can you work it out now ?
[Edit: In case I wasn't clear, ##\nabla = \lt \frac{\partial}{\partial x}, \frac{\partial}{\partial y} \gt ## ]
 
*facepalm* Thank you!

##\vec{F}## = -k( x ##\hat{x}## + 4y ##\hat{y}##)

Then set to m##\vec{a}## = m(##\ddot{x}## ##\hat{x}## + ##\ddot{y}## ##\hat{y}##), and compare associated vector components... yes?
 
Just tried that, for anyone who wants to check:

X(t) = a ##\cos##(##\sqrt{k/m} t##)

Y(t) =##\frac{v_{o}}{\sqrt{4k/m}}\sin(\sqrt{4k/m} t)##
 
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