Equation of motion with proportional drag

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The discussion revolves around the equation of motion for an object experiencing proportional drag, described by the differential equation m⋅dv/dt = -m⋅g - k⋅v. Participants are tasked with finding the velocity and position equations under specific initial conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the form of the velocity equation derived from the differential equation and express uncertainty about its correctness. There are attempts to graph the results using software, leading to questions about the behavior of the graph and the validity of the integration performed.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided feedback on the correctness of the original poster's attempts, while others have raised questions about the integration process and the resulting graphs. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the initial conditions and the parameters used in the equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential input errors in their calculations and discuss the implications of these errors on the resulting graphs. There is also a concern about the behavior of the position equation in relation to the expected physical behavior of the system.

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Homework Statement



the forces will be like this

[tex]m⋅dv/dt=-m⋅g-k⋅v[/tex]

I need to find the velocity equation and the place equation, thereby meaning the integral of the velocity equation. for the condition t,v=0,v_0



The Attempt at a Solution


i have found this
[tex]v(t)=mg/k*(-1+e^(-k/m⋅t))+v_0⋅e^(-k/m⋅t)[/tex] or in picture form http://imgur.com/WjksG

But I am not sure it's correct
 
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Hannibal123 said:

Homework Statement



the forces will be like this

[tex]m⋅dv/dt=-m⋅g-k⋅v[/tex]

I need to find the velocity equation and the place equation, thereby meaning the integral of the velocity equation. for the condition t,v=0,v_0

The Attempt at a Solution


i have found this
[tex]v(t)=\frac{mg}{k}(-1+e^{-\frac{k}{m}t})+v_0⋅e^{-\frac{k}{m}t}[/tex] or in picture form http://imgur.com/WjksG

But I am not sure it's correct

It looks correct, but v0=0 .

Edit: I misread vo, so it is correct.

ehild
 
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Your answer looks right to me. Why do you doubt it?
 
ehild said:
It looks correct, but v0=0 .

ehild

I read the OP condition as initially (t,v) = (0, v0)
 
haruspex said:
I read the OP condition as initially (t,v) = (0, v0)
Sorry, I misread it. Edit my post.

ehild
 
haruspex said:
I read the OP condition as initially (t,v) = (0, v0)

that is what i meant. I doubt the results because when i draw them in a graph they doesn't seem to be correct. I have drawn them i geogebra if you are familiar with that software.
My values are:
m: 0,145 kg
k: 0,0032
g: (gravity acceleration) 9,82
v_0: 9,93 m/s

this is what i have entered in geogebra: g(x) =(0.145*9.82/0.0032)*(-1 + ℯ^(0x / 0.15)) + 9.93ℯ^(0x / 0.15)
if you want to try for yourself (should save you some time). These values are not meant for a proportional drag, but still it seems weird that the graph looks like one of a constant function
http://imgur.com/FFElN (the red one)
 
Furthermore when i integrate the velocity equation i get this http://imgur.com/IO6G6
Again not sure if I am correct
 
Hannibal123 said:
m: 0,145 kg
k: 0,0032
g: (gravity acceleration) 9,82
v_0: 9,93 m/s

this is what i have entered in geogebra: g(x) =(0.145*9.82/0.0032)*(-1 + ℯ^(0x / 0.15)) + 9.93ℯ^(0x / 0.15)
How did -k/m end up as 0 / 0.15? Looks like rounding error, and the red line graph seems to be a consequence.
 
  • #10
this is the equation of place (if that is the correct term in english) as far as I am concerned the height is not suposed to be negative to positive time values?
http://imgur.com/CxAYC
 
  • #11
Your velocity time graph shows velocity +ve at time 0, so the distance time graph should show distance increasing at time 0.
 
  • #12
Indeed it should, however it doesn't. Is this a wrong integration of the velocity equation?
http://imgur.com/A6BKT
Based on the gaph it does not seem to be correct.
 
  • #13
Just found the correct place equation i think
http://imgur.com/quiLu
can you see a good way to shoten it?
 
  • #14
Looks right. I'd write it as
[itex]\frac{mg}{k}\left(-t+\left(\frac{m}{k}+\frac{v_0}{g}\right)\left(1-e^{-\frac{kt}{m}}\right)\right)[/itex]
 

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