Equation of the line for a second order decay

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying the equation of a line representing a second order decay, where y values halve as the intervals of x values double. Participants explore various mathematical models and functions to describe this relationship, including inverse proportions and specific decay functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the relationship can be described by an inverse proportion, suggesting equations like y = C/x or y = Cx^{-1}.
  • Others express confusion about finding a simple equation that fits the data, indicating that common functions like exponential, power, or polynomial do not seem to apply.
  • A participant later clarifies that the x value intervals double, providing specific examples of y values that halve as x intervals increase.
  • Another participant suggests a specific decay function y = 1000/(x+10) and discusses the elimination of powers of 2 to express y as a function of x.
  • There is a question about the classification of the function y = a/(a+x), with suggestions of it being a hyperbola or inverse, but uncertainty remains regarding its fit to data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact nature of the function representing the second order decay. Multiple competing views and models are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the decay process, the definitions of the functions proposed, and the specific mathematical steps involved in deriving the equations.

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What is it?! I have tried plotting dummy data showing y values halving as x values double and no simple type of equation results (ie exponential, power, polynomial etc) - is this true? I thought such a standard function would be a simple one!
 
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Yes, it is pretty simple. You are talking about a simple "inverse" proportion: y= C/x or xy= C. When x doubles, that is, x becomes 2x, y must halve in order that the product be constant: (2x)(y/2)= xy= C. If you want to think of that as a "power" it is y= Cx^{-1}
 
Miffymycat said:
What is it?! I have tried plotting dummy data showing y values halving as x values double and no simple type of equation results (ie exponential, power, polynomial etc) - is this true? I thought such a standard function would be a simple one!

What about y = A/x ?


EDIT -- Oops, beaten out by Halls again! :biggrin:
 
Sorry guys _ I meant that the x value interval doubles eg y = 100, 50, 25, 12.5; x = 0, 10, 30, 70 ie a second order decay where x represents elapsed time ie the half-life of the decay is doubling. Any ideas?
 
y=1000/(x+10)
You can express both x and y as functions of powers of 2 (2^n where n=0,1,2,...).
Eliminate 2^n to find y as function of x.
 
Second order decay - what's the function type?

Finally found a moment to complete this:

Second order decay function y = f(x) ie y halves as x doubles

Eg y = 100, 50, 25, 12.5, 6.25 when x = 0, 10, 30, 70, 150 etc
so y = 100/2^n and x = (10 x 2^n)/10
Eliminating 2^n gives y = 1000/(x+10)

Applying to a second order concentration decay where A is inital concentration, Ao = A at time t=0

A = Ao [a/(t+a)] where a is a second constant

What type of function is y = a/(a+x) classed as - hyperbola? inverse? None of these are fitted by Excel

Thank you to the Mathematicians out there!
 
doh ... again I mean y halves as the x INTERVAL doubles! Sorry
 

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