Equation of velocity with quadratic drag, vertical throw

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The discussion revolves around deriving the velocity equation for an object moving vertically upwards under the influence of gravitational and quadratic drag forces. The original poster presents the governing equation of motion and initial conditions.

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  • Participants explore variable separation and integration techniques to derive the velocity equation. There are questions regarding the use of height in the referenced equations and the correctness of the derived integrals. Some participants express uncertainty about rearranging the equations to isolate velocity.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various attempts to manipulate the equations and clarify the relationships between variables. Some participants have provided guidance on rearranging terms, while others are questioning the validity of their approaches and the complexity of the resulting equations.

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There is a focus on the initial conditions and the implications of the constants introduced during the integration process. Participants are navigating through the algebraic complexity without reaching a definitive conclusion on the final form of the velocity equation.

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I am having trouble deriving the velocity equation for an objekt moving vertically upwards. the net force will be
[tex]m*dv/dt=-mg-kv^2[/tex]
where k is the drag. At the time t=0 the object's velocity wil be
[tex]v(0)=v_0[/tex]
 
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haruspex said:

im not sure how they get to that equation, and why they are using y, which seems to be an height.
I have tried seperating the variables, and have come to this integral
[tex]-√(m/gk)∫1/(1+u^2 )du=∫dt[/tex]
where u is a substitution defined by
[tex]u=√(k/mg)⋅v[/tex]
which leads to this
[tex]-√(m/gk)⋅arctan(√(k/mg)⋅v)+c=t[/tex]
however I'm not sure if this is corrrect, and the constant c must be solved for the condition t=0 and v(0)=v_0. Furthermore this will have to be solved for v, because i need the velocity equation.
 
Hannibal123 said:
im not sure how they get to that equation, and why they are using y, which seems to be an height.
I have tried seperating the variables, and have come to this integral
[tex]-√(m/gk)∫1/(1+u^2 )du=∫dt[/tex]
where u is a substitution defined by
[tex]u=√(k/mg)⋅v[/tex]
which leads to this
[tex]-√(m/gk)⋅arctan(√(k/mg)⋅v)+c=t[/tex]
however I'm not sure if this is correct, and the constant c must be solved for the condition t=0 and v(0)=v_0. Furthermore this will have to be solved for v, because i need the velocity equation.
That all looks correct. Can you not rearrange it easily enough into the form v = f(t)?
 
for the start condition (t,v)=(0,v_0) i can only cook c down to this
[tex]c=√(m/gk)*arctan(√(k/mg)*v_0 )[/tex]
which is going to give a pretty nasty equation when inserted into the previous equation, that i want to solve for v?
 
which i eventually solve to this for v
[tex]tan((t-√(m/gk)⋅arctan(√(k/mg)⋅v_0 ))/√(m/gk))/√(k/mg)[/tex]

or in a more pretty picture: http://imgur.com/V53iV

but I'm not sure if it's correct, or if it can be shortened
 
arctan(v) = t+c
v = tan(t+c) = (tan(t)+tan(c))/(1- tan(t)tan(c))
v0 = tan(c)
v = (tan(t)+v0)/(1- tan(t)v0)
 
I don't really follow you there, would you mind elaborating that?
 
[tex]-√(m/gk)⋅arctan(√(k/mg)⋅v)+c=t[/tex]
[tex]arctan(√(k/mg)⋅v)=\frac{c-t}{√(m/gk)}[/tex]
[tex]√(k/mg)⋅v=tan(\frac{c-t}{√(m/gk)})[/tex]
[tex]=tan(\frac{c}{√(m/gk)}-\frac{t}{√(m/gk)})[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{tan(\frac{c}{√(m/gk)})-tan(\frac{t}{√(m/gk)})}{1+tan(\frac{c}{√(m/gk)})tan(\frac{t}{√(m/gk)})}[/tex]
At t=0:
[tex]√(k/mg)⋅v_0=tan(\frac{c}{√(m/gk)})[/tex]
[tex]√(k/mg)⋅v=\frac{√(k/mg)⋅v_0-tan(\frac{t}{√(m/gk)})}{1+√(k/mg)⋅v_0 tan(\frac{t}{√(m/gk)})}[/tex]
[tex]v=\frac{v_0-\frac{1}{√(m/gk)}tan(\frac{t}{√(m/gk)})}{1+√(k/mg)⋅v_0 tan(\frac{t}{√(m/gk)})}[/tex]
 

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