[Equation Validity] - Current Characterization (AC) in Sockets

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The discussion revolves around the validity of using a Fourier series representation for current characterization in AC circuits, particularly when considering sinusoidal waves and their properties in relation to loads.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of using a single phase shift for multiple sinusoidal components and question the appropriateness of applying Fourier analysis given the presence of non-linear loads and potential harmonic content.

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Some participants express skepticism about the original poster's approach, suggesting that a Fourier series might be more suitable for analyzing the current per load. There is an acknowledgment of the complexities introduced by non-linear loads and the resulting harmonics.

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Participants note that the mains voltage typically has a single frequency, which raises questions about the representation of multiple frequencies in the original equation. The discussion highlights the potential for distortions and noise in AC circuits.

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I am trying mathematically characterize the current running a wire connected to the AC mains. This wire has a socket and can take n number of loads linear/non-linear load.

I assumed this:

Considering that the loads have different current draws and the possibility of non-linear load. And the current running through the wire is the sum of the draw current of the loads (is this valid to say?). Since the overall current running through the wire is the sum of all the draw current of the loads (which is periodic), then, Fourier's theorem can be applied by which the theorem states that a wave is composed of sinusoidal components having a proper amplitude and frequency. And such wave is the "REAL" current running through the wire when loads are connected.
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Through my assumption, what I got is:

I = A_0 * sin(n_0wt + p) + A_1 * sin(n_1wt+p) + ... +A_n * sin(n_nwt+p)

Where:

I = current running through the wire connected to the AC mains whose socket whose socket has loads connected.

A_n = the draw current of an nth load

n_n = the nth load

w = angular frequency

p = phase shift
I = A_0 * sin(n_0wt + p) + A_1 * sin(n_1wt + p) + ... +A_n * sin(n_nwt + p)

Looking at the equation, it only contains sinusoidal waves. Further, there is the possibility of waves having the same shift or no shift at all and even, having the same frequency. Is it really valid or correct to use the concept of Fourier in this scenario? I am trying to use the equation in a study of mine.
 
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HAgdn said:
$$I = A_0 * sin(n_0\omega t + p) + A_1 * sin(n_1\omega t + p) + ... +A_n * sin(n_n\omega t + p)$$
Looking at the equation, it only contains sinusoidal waves. Further, there is the possibility of waves having the same shift or no shift at all and even, having the same frequency
When I look, I see
  • Only a single ##p##, so all loads show the same phase lag ?
  • multiple frequencies, which is strange: the mains only has one frequency
So: no, I don't think you are on the right path. Advice: read up on AC circuit analysis.
 
BvU said:
multiple frequencies, which is strange: the mains only has one frequency
The AC Mains voltage does have some low-order distortions and noise, but even assuming a perfect sinusoidal voltage, the current I(t) will depend on the load. If the load is non-linear, that can generate harmonic content in the I(t) waveform.

A good example is the current drawn by the common full-wave rectifier input stage for many power supplies:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Pablo_Lezana_Illesca/publication/3218408/figure/fig7/AS:668537572057093@1536403186524/Single-phase-rectifier-a-Circuit-b-Waveforms-of-the-input-voltage-and-current.png

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BvU said:
multiple frequencies, which is strange: the mains only has one frequency
Since the loads are nonlinear the current will not be a pure sine wave. According to M. Fourier that means there will be harmonics.
 
The way it was written, OP postulated one single frequency per load. I agree a Fourier series per load makes more sense
 
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