Equations for Ideal Heat Engine Efficiency Calculation and Exhaust Temperature

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The discussion centers on calculating the efficiency and exhaust temperature of an ideal heat engine using the equations W = Qin - Qout, Efficiency = Qout/Qin, and E = (Th - Tc) / Th. The user initially misapplied the equations, leading to an incorrect negative temperature result. After guidance, the correct rearrangement of the equation yielded an exhaust temperature (Tc) of 228K, confirming the importance of accurate mathematical manipulation in thermodynamic calculations.

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Homework Statement



ideal heat engine takes in heat Qin at a temp Th. It exhausts heat Qout
a) how much work is done by the engine
b) What is the effiency of the engine
c) what is the exhaust temp of the engine

Homework Equations


W = Qin - Qout
Effiency = Qout/Qin
E = Th-Tc/Th


The Attempt at a Solution



i am pretty sure the frst two equations should give me what i need however its the third one that its a little stuck

I need to find Exhaust Temp which i think shoud be Tc...
so i rearranged the equation as shown

E=Th-Tc/Th
E x Th=Th-Tc
E x 2Th = -Tc
Tc= E x -2Th

when i factor in the values Qin = 460J Qout = 285J and Th 600K
i get a very cold answer and a number that shouldn't exist as a temp of -743.5K

where have i gone wrong?
 
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annjolino said:
I need to find Exhaust Temp which i think shoud be Tc...
so i rearranged the equation as shown

E=Th-Tc/Th
E x Th=Th-Tc
E x 2Th = -Tc
Tc= E x -2Th

where have i gone wrong?

Taking a quick glance at your math:

E x 2Th = -Tc <-----you made a mistake in this mathematical step. the Th on the right side can only subtract. therefore cannot be E * 2Th. Hope that helps ^^
 
so then would it be closer to

Tc= E x Th - Th
 
yes, remember there is still a negative sign on Tc and if you like, you can also factor the Th but is not necessary(mostly just to make it easier to read). Give that a try and see how it turns out =P
 
ok now when i put the values in the new equation
-Tc= E x Th - Th
-Tc= (0.62 x 600K) - 600K
-Tc = -228K

could i then make them both positive as they would cancel each other out??
Tc= 228K
 
yep ^_^
 
YAY! thank you so much for your help your an angel o:)
 

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