Equations for Particle Motion in Horizontal Air Flow

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The discussion revolves around the equations governing the motion of particles in a horizontally flowing air stream. Participants explore the forces acting on the particles, including weight, buoyancy, and drag, while considering various conditions such as particle size, Reynolds number, and flow characteristics. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and practical implications of particle dynamics in fluid mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the equations of motion for particles depend on their size and density relative to the gas, with specific equations applicable in the Stokes regime for small particles.
  • Others argue that the drag force can be calculated using either Stokes' law or a general drag force equation, depending on the Reynolds number, and that Stokes' law applies for low velocities.
  • A participant questions whether the drag force is a vector equation, particularly when considering different directions of particle and fluid motion.
  • There is a discussion about the relevance of terminal velocity, with some participants suggesting it indicates when net forces on the particle are zero, while others seek clarification on its implications for horizontal displacement.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding specific symbols and terms, such as the particle relaxation time (τ) and its significance in the context of particle motion.
  • Questions arise about the conditions under which particles achieve terminal velocity and whether this can be assumed to happen almost instantly.
  • Participants discuss the need for separate equations for horizontal and vertical motion, particularly in the context of buoyancy effects for light particles.
  • There is a request for clarification on how to calculate the time required for a particle to reach its settling velocity.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the equations and concepts discussed. There is no consensus on the specific equations to use or the implications of terminal velocity in the context of horizontal flow, indicating multiple competing views and unresolved questions.

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Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of terms like terminal velocity and drag force, as well as the unresolved nature of how to calculate horizontal displacement based on vertical motion. The discussion also highlights the complexity of modeling particle dynamics in a flowing fluid.

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Hello!
We have a tube with air flowing horizontally and we put some particles of different diameter.
What are the equations that will describe their motion?
We have the weight and buoyancy acting vertically, but there will be drag force from the stream of air, with unknown size and dimension, any hint?
thanks!
 
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It depends on what you can neglect. If your particles are small and have a high density compared to the gas density, the equation of motion for a particle moving with velocity U in a gas that has a local velocity V (at the location of the particle) can be reduced to:
m_p \frac{dU_i}{dt} = m_pg_i + m_p \frac{V_i - U_i}{\tau_p}, with the particle relaxation time
\tau_p = \frac{\rho_p d_p^2}{ 18 C \mu_g}

If your particle Reynolds number is low (particles moving with approximately the gas velocity), you are in the Stokes regime and the constant C is simply 1. If your Reynolds number is higher, you need a correction factor. For small particles, the Reynolds number usually does not become very large because they quickly adjust to the gas velocity V (usually Re<1000). A simple correction factor based on the particle Reynolds number is
C=1+ 0.15 Re_p^{0.687}

Some side remarks:
Very close to a wall, you will have some extra forces due to the velocity gradients.
In a closed tube where the pressure gradient in the gas is not negligible, an extra force due to pressure gradients enters the equation of motion.
When your flow is turbulent and you are using a turbulence model to determine the gas velocities, you do not have the instantaneous velocity of the gas at the location of the particle available. In that case, the model for V_i is very complicated.

Hope this helps.
 
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I don''t understand your question, you use many symbols without explaining them.

Could you answer my following questions please?

1) The drag force is calculated by either Stoke's law or Drag Force equation, depending on the particles and Re. Because we are talking about small particles in low velocities, we only apply Stokes law and NOT Drag Force equation (with the Drag Coefficient in it). Right?

2) The equation of Stoke's Drag Force shows that Force is proportional to the relative velocity of the fluid to the particle. Is this a vector equation?? Ie. what if the particle moves down and the fluid moves horizontally?

3) What is the point to calculate terminal velocity? How is terminal velocity and horizontal displacement relate?
 
BIOS said:
I don't understand your question, you use many symbols without explaining them.
I don't have a question, maybe you mean something else? I'm sorry, I assumed you were already familiar with the usual notation: m=mass,g=gravity,V (and U)=velocity,d=diameter,\mu=viscosity,\rho=density. The subscript 'p' stands for particle, 'g' for gas. The index 'i' means the component in direction 'i'.
Could you answer my following questions please?
1) The drag force is calculated by either Stoke's law or Drag Force equation, depending on the particles and Re. Because we are talking about small particles in low velocities, we only apply Stokes law and NOT Drag Force equation (with the Drag Coefficient in it). Right?
You always use a drag force equation, it is just that the drag force equation is Stokes drag when the Reynolds number is smaller than 1. If your Reynolds number is smaller than 1, then C=1 in the equation above.
2) The equation of Stoke's Drag Force shows that Force is proportional to the relative velocity of the fluid to the particle. Is this a vector equation?? Ie. what if the particle moves down and the fluid moves horizontally?
The equation of motion is a vector equation, you need an equation for each of the directions. In 3-D, you need an equation for the x,y, and z-direction. If a particle moves down and the fluid moves horizontally, then it can move in at least 2 directions, so you need at least 2 equations of motion.
3) What is the point to calculate terminal velocity? How is terminal velocity and horizontal displacement relate?
What do you mean with 'what is the point'? Terminal velocity says that the net forces on the particle are zero, so in your example, assuming your particle is much heavier than air and there are no pressure gradients, the gravitational force balances the drag force in the vertical direction. In horizontal direction, the only force (in my equation at least) is the drag force, and the drag force is zero when the particle moves with the local gas velocity. The local gas velocity is therefore the terminal velocity in the horizontal direction.
 
sorry I didn't mean question, but answer

I am familiar with that notation, but I don't understand what τ is, I have never seen that equation.

From what I gathered, in Stoke's regime the drag force is: https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/0/8/f/08ffd06b321494dbc7f23908dae6e978.png

In Newton's regime the drag force is: https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/5/2/6/52694ea39410aa410b12afef2746d8a4.png

Am I right?

If yes, then how do I find the horizontal travel distance of the particles in my first post example?

I thought that I know the time of the journey (from the vertical kinematic equations, since I know the height of the fall). Then I some how (integration?) find the horizontal displacement. Any hint?
 
Also, can you tell me please, is it ok to consider that the particle achieves terminal velocity almost instantly and thus it travels horizontally with that velocity constant?
 
if you write m=\rho \frac{4}{3}\pi r^3, you can rewrite m\frac{V-U}{\tau} to an expression similar to your Stokes drag term. Your second equation is simply the definition of the drag coefficient. You can rewrite the Stokes drag to this form using the definition of the Reynolds number, and you will get the Stokes drag coefficient.

\tau is introduced because its dimension is time. It is the particle response time and it gives an estimate of the time that the particle needs to adjust to the gas velocity. If it is small, you can assume that the particle quickly reaches its terminal velocity.

BIOS said:
how do I find the horizontal travel distance of the particles in my first post example?
What do you really want to know? Do you release a particle in the middle of a horizontal tube with velocity zero, and you want to know when/where the particle will hit the bottom wall? I think these equations already give you the answer you seek.
 
OK you say we can assume that the particle reaches its terminal velocity quickly.

But the terminal settling velocity given by this equation https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/8/7/3/873c9ce3c729789cf01c2f71103a51f0.png
is about particles that freely fall in a steady fluid, not for particles that fall in a horizontally moving fluid!

So what is that velocity exactly? The horizontal or the vertical velocity?
The horizontal velocity can be assumed to be the velocity of the horizontal air flow.
The vertical velocity?
 
BIOS said:
But the terminal settling velocity given by this equation https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/8/7/3/873c9ce3c729789cf01c2f71103a51f0.png

This is an equation for a light particle, where buoyancy effects are important. What kind of particles are we talking about here?

You need an equation for each of the directions. What are the equations in horizontal and vertical direction?
 
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Sorry for late reply.
I don't know the equations, that's what I am after.

Can you tell me please how to calculate the time needed for a particle for its vertical velocity to reach the settling velocity?
 

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