Equations of Motion Homework: Lagrange & Newton's 2nd Law

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The discussion focuses on solving equations of motion using both the Lagrange method and Newton's second law for a system involving two masses, Mo and M, and a rolling mass m. The user presents their equations, including the external force equation ∑Fext - M dv/dt = 0, and attempts to reconcile their results with the Lagrange solution. Key issues arise in matching the equations of motion, particularly concerning the treatment of forces such as gravity and normal forces, which the user suspects may be neglected in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


Please see the attached picture for the problem description. Now, I have a solution using the Lagrange method, (it should coincide with Newton's second law, I believe?) I just have a hard time getting my equations of motion to match.

Homework Equations


∑Fext - M dv/dt = 0


The Attempt at a Solution


For mass Mo I have
K(x2 - x1) = Mo*x1'' x (where mass Mo moves a distance x1 and mass M moves a distance x2) which agrees with the Lagrange solution

I have trouble matching the remaining equations. For the rolling mass m, I have the external forces as -mg (y-dir) and FN (y'-dir) where x' and y' are at an angle θ depending on the location of the rolling mass.

Then my equation of motion is -mg y + N y' = m[x'' x + (R-r)θ'' y' - (R-r)θ'2 x']

Now I realize that I need to organize everything into the x-y or x'-y' plane but when I do the solution doesn't match; do you see anything that I'm missing?

Finally for mass M

∑Fext = -mg y - K(x2 - x1) x
My professor typically neglects gravity and normal forces acting on carts, so I don't include them here. But I feel like I'm neglecting a force. Should I include the momentum of the rolling mass with the external forces acting on M? Because setting what I have = M*x2'' x doesn't match, and I feel like I'm over-simplifying the problem.

Thanks in advance
 

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