Equilibrium problem involving cube root

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a chemical equilibrium problem involving the reaction between iron(III) ions and nickel, specifically focusing on calculating the concentration of Fe3+ at equilibrium given a large equilibrium constant. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and mathematical approaches to solving the equilibrium expression.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equilibrium expression K = 4x³/(0.1-2x)² and seeks to find x, expressing uncertainty about solving the cube root involved.
  • Another participant suggests disregarding the 2x term in the denominator if it is negligible compared to 0.1, indicating a potential simplification for solving the problem.
  • A third participant questions the validity of the approximation given the large value of K, suggesting that the equilibrium constant's size may affect what can be considered negligible.
  • One participant confirms the equilibrium constant value and references a solutions manual, questioning why [Fe2+]²[Ni2+] equals 1 in the context of the equilibrium expression.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the approximation and suggests considering how the addition of Ni(s) affects the equilibrium and the concentration of Fe3+.
  • A later reply proposes a numerical approximation for [Fe2+] and questions the remaining concentration of Fe3+ given the large K value.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of approximations in the context of a large equilibrium constant, and there is no consensus on the implications of the equilibrium expression or the numerical values involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential limitations of their approximations, particularly regarding the assumptions made about the negligible terms in the equilibrium expression and the implications of the large equilibrium constant on the concentrations at equilibrium.

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Homework Statement



The reaction 2Fe3+ + Ni(s) = 2Fe2+ + Ni2+ has equilibrium constant K = 1.5E34. What is the concentration of Fe3+ at equilibrium if a lot of Ni(s) is added to a 0.1 M solution of Fe3+ that initially contains no Fe2+?

The Attempt at a Solution



K = 4x3/(0.1-2x)2

My plan is to find x. [Fe3+] is then 0.1-x, but how do I solve this problem involving a cube root?
 
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Disregard the 2x portion in the denominator and the solve for x - if the value of 2x is negligible relative to the 0.1 than you've got a good approximation of the actual answer - read in your text or confer with your teacher to find out what constitutes "negligible".
 
GCT said:
Disregard the 2x portion in the denominator and the solve for x - if the value of 2x is negligible relative to the 0.1 than you've got a good approximation of the actual answer - read in your text or confer with your teacher to find out what constitutes "negligible".


May I suggest double-checking the equilibrium constant value. GCT's suggestion will apply if the K is very small. However as written, K is very large and may affect what is negligible.
 
K is correct.

I found this in the solutions manual:

K = [Fe2+]2[Ni2+]/[Fe3+]2 = 1/[Fe3+]2

but why is [Fe2+]2[Ni2+] = 1 ??
 
kasse said:
K = [Fe2+]2[Ni2+]/[Fe3+]2 = 1/[Fe3+]2

but why is [Fe2+]2[Ni2+] = 1 ??

It is a curious approximation. I'm not sure how to explain it.

Another approach: If K is so large, how does adding the Ni(s) reactant shift the equilibrium, and what does that indicate about [Fe3+] and its initial concentration?

There is an approximation that could be made but I would look at the [0.1 - 2x]2 term and think about the change the equilibrium.
 
but why is [Fe2+]2[Ni2+] = 1 ??

No idea. I would say it is 5*10-4. To get this number simply follow eli64 advice. If K is so large, where is the equilibrium? How much Fe3+ is left?
 
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