Escape Velocity Calculation using Energy Conservation

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving energy conservation and the calculation of escape velocity for a particle influenced by a force in one dimension. The original poster seeks clarification on the procedure to determine the initial speed required for the particle to escape the force acting on it.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration of the potential energy function and the relationship between initial and final kinetic energy. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of maximum speed versus the speed required for escape.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the correct interpretation of the problem, with some clarifying that the goal is to find the initial speed that allows the particle to escape rather than a maximum speed. There is an acknowledgment of the need to consider energy conservation principles in this context.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of radial motion and the implications of reaching escape velocity, as well as the importance of understanding the relationship between potential and kinetic energy in the scenario described.

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I do not have a solution to a question I'm working on, so I just wanted to make sure the procedure was correct.

Homework Statement



I have a force acting on a particle in one dimension. It is given an initial speed v-0 and the problem wants to know what the maximum speed v-0 will be within the limits of energy conservation.



Homework Equations



Energy conservation and force (dependent on position).



The Attempt at a Solution



What I did was integrated to find the potential energy function. I then set v-final equal to zero and solved for v-0.

Is this approach correct?
 
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Hi Void123! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)
Void123 said:
I have a force acting on a particle in one dimension. It is given an initial speed v-0 and the problem wants to know what the maximum speed v-0 will be within the limits of energy conservation.

What I did was integrated to find the potential energy function. I then set v-final equal to zero and solved for v-0.

Is this approach correct?

I don't follow exactly what the question is, and particularly what vfinal has to do with it, :confused:

but generally you can use PE + KE = constant,

so maximum speed (which is what the question asks for) means maximum KE, and so means minimum PE.
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi Void123! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)


I don't follow exactly what the question is, and particularly what vfinal has to do with it, :confused:

but generally you can use PE + KE = constant,

so maximum speed (which is what the question asks for) means maximum KE, and so means minimum PE.


I'm very sorry for not being specific enough. Actually, what the maximum speed was supposed to show was the speed it would have to reach before it can escape. The system I was dealing with was one of radial motion. Hence, if it reached an escape velocity the radius would go to infinity.

So, the initial speed (independent of the final) would have to be such that it would allow the particle to indefinitely escape the radial force holding it back.

I hope this clarifies everything :smile:
 
Void123 said:
What I did was integrated to find the potential energy function. I then set v-final equal to zero and solved for v-0.

Is this approach correct?

Yes. If you use initial potential energy + initial kinetic energy = final potential energy (=0) + final kinetic energy (=0), you should have gotten the right answer.
 
Hi Void123! :smile:
Void123 said:
I'm very sorry for not being specific enough. Actually, what the maximum speed was supposed to show was the speed it would have to reach before it can escape. The system I was dealing with was one of radial motion. Hence, if it reached an escape velocity the radius would go to infinity.

ok, that's not a maximum, no wonder I was confused! :rolleyes:

Let's look at the question again…
Void123 said:
I have a force acting on a particle in one dimension. It is given an initial speed v-0 and the problem wants to know what the maximum speed v-0 will be within the limits of energy conservation.

What I did was integrated to find the potential energy function. I then set v-final equal to zero and solved for v-0.

Is this approach correct?

What you're actually asking is not for a maximum speed, but for the initial speed (v0) which results in zero speed at infinity.

So yes, PE + KE = constant, and you want KE = 0 at infinity, so that means PE - PE0 = KE0

(btw, it doesn't have to be radial motion … with a conservative force, the path doesn't matter, and the escape speed will be the same, whatever the initial angle :wink:)
 

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